Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Cass_]

Not gonna lie. This game is taxing my ability to keep up. Sad thing is that I am probably spending more RL time on this game than one I am able to participate in more. I don’t like posting without being caught up on the thread, and just getting caught up is taking more time than I have in a day.

Anyway, no more excuses.

I’m fine with either Visor or vote: Winston for our rep. Renata, DP and Cass all obvious town at this point (or at least clear enough to focus elsewhere). Town lean on Visor and Winston, mainly based on tone what I would expect from them. Note that they are good at looking town, so not ready to go all in on that assessment. Csargo and Al I can’t really get on too much as I am in the exact same boat wrt to keeping up. Reid has I think one post, so basically null, but I would have expected at least some more “I can’t keep up” types of posts if that was indeed the case.

I agree that the vote: Cuth transition on the Sooh case is odd.

I actually understand his point is what I was trying to get at. Usually that is not so easy. I can see his logic.

That said the case on Cuth resonates with me more.

El Barto and Zack aren’t really being helpful at this point, Barto mainly being his normal self, and Zack started helpful but Zack’s mood seems to have gotten in his way. Monty is making some good cases. Many other new names here that I just don’t have a lot of history on.

First paragraph and a bit could come straight from my head so tempted to lean that Towny, also aware that's dumb.

Rest is very thread consensus plus new suspicion at Reid, which could go either way. Probably not going to vote here today but there's nothing that puts BS in the clear.

@BSmith

What cases do you like of Monty's?
Do you have/Can you make a read of GH?

What about Cuth's transition on the Sooh case bothers you in particular?

I have been back and forth on the Cuth-votes-Sooh thing. I don't think Scum votes there , solo at EoD even if they're trying to redirect a lynch - too much insta-pressure when the PR/Townie flips. Unless they're counting on this exact WIFOM to clear them, which is just convoluted and less likely.

TLDR hinging on that and the Visor-Scum by Monty Case (which I still don't understand) is slightly sus to me.

[Riedquat]

My contributions? Whaaaat?? Are you all already drunk? I've not contributed anything except a few opinions here and there, I did the bare minimum to not get wogged... and lets say it, I'm scummy as heck!

And Vote: GH for the hell of it!

[Montmorency]

Host note-

I'll be doing my own tally soon, a second set of eyes doing the tally would be appreciated for comparison.

Did you see my Tally # B2? Up to date through post #2001.

[Montmorency]

Yeah, Riedquat is town. Cass and DP, please close the Cuthilius case while we still have the Pristine Triumvirate.

[atheotes]

i think i should have some time close to EOD. But cant be 100% sure.
So Vote: Cass

I did not like GH's starting posts day. They sounded very fake.

Vote: GH

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is what I have. Double check me, send corrections via PM or mention me here.

Person District/Lynch

Schema dp101 / ---
Cuth dp101 / GH
Renata dp101 / Monty
Dp101 dp101 / ---
Jabbz dp101 / ---
Dice --- / Barto

Winston Winston / Csargo
Bsmith Winston / Cuth
Visor Winston / Cuth
Csargo Winston / ---
Riedquat Winston / GH
Barto Visor / ---
Monstr Monstr / GH

Monty Cass / Cuth
Al Sipsclar Cass / ---
Cass_ --- / ---
GH Cass / Cuth
Zack --- / Cuth
Atheotes Cass / GH

[Cass_]

Just cause I don't show it doesn't mean it isn't there.

I know you're a softie at heart. My point was I don't think I've seen you make that allowance as Town when you play.

?Pocket?attempt almost successful with the :knuddle: though

I'm not sure what to make of that.

That I'm not sure if you're covering by saying you didn't read the differences between Chox's games, or that you really didn't see the differences.

My contributions? Whaaaat?? Are you all already drunk? I've not contributed anything except a few opinions here and there, I did the bare minimum to not get wogged... and lets say it, I'm scummy as heck!

And Vote: GH for the hell of it!

Yeah, Riedquat is town. Cass and DP, please close the Cuthilius case while we still have the Pristine Triumvirate.

Vote: Cuthilius because he is so valuable a piece of the puzzle, though GH is more suspect. Zack should not be lynched, though he and Winston are now wrestling in the murk. Whichever eats the other is probably demon scum.

I am really struggling with this. As far as I can tell, Cuth has more 'possi-easy' votes on him than any other player. Which makes him more likely to be either reeeeeeeeeeaaally scummy or lynch bait.

Lynching players for info should not be a thing. Find the scummiest player and vote there imo.

[Cass_]

And is the 'Riedquat is town' thing serious or no? I'm tired and can't figure it out.

What makes them Town?

[Montmorency]

I was referring to "someone as analytical as [Montmorency]".

Cuth best lynch. Strongly consider.

Riedquat town. Very direct and self-referential posting.

[Cuthillius]

So whats this going to be

Cuth/Barto/GH?

Cuth/x/GH

Cuth/Schema/GH

Cuth/BSmith or inactive/GH

i recommend option b) no

[Cuthillius]

Zack
Cuth
GH
El Barto
BSmith
Csargo

All opinions on the above will be gratefully received, especially from each other.

i'm town

don't lynch zack today, or probably tomorrow

i haven't a clue about csargo

bsmith was one of the people who was like "Yeah that case is great" when the case was half-false; admittedly may not have read carefully enough to see but i still found the timing slightly opportunistic and i can't remember anything else from his posts

El Barto i really don't know

GH is my highest scum, just from chox spew/underwhelming posting/i think he normally posts more, and more game-related stuff, even with a lot of posts

i dunno

highest scum doesn't really mean that much for me rn

[Monstrdude]

I was referring to "someone as analytical as [Montmorency]".

Cuth best lynch. Strongly consider.

Riedquat town. Very direct and self-referential posting.

I can understand this I get a villagery vibe from Riedquat but I can't in good conscience call him a villager because there's just not enough there

[Cuthillius]

Riedquat town. Very direct and self-referential posting.

you literally just said the exact same thing a few posts ago

what do you mean by that; what does his scum game look like

[Cass_]

cass d'you accept hydra games (or turbos lol)

Going through your ISO and cannot lean you either way other than your thoughts seem free flowing and I don't know that Scum come into a game making this much overt-vote-attracting noise. Neither of those things clear you imo.

I already looked at the hydra game we just finished, might try that again but essentially no, I'd prefer 'normal' games for cleaner analysis.

If I can't clear you I'm tempted to let the majority of voters have their way and lynch you for info tbh, so if you're Town you'd need to find a game that's easily comparable to how you've played here. If you're Scum, just carry on.

[Cass_]

i'm town

don't lynch zack today, or probably tomorrow

i haven't a clue about csargo

bsmith was one of the people who was like "Yeah that case is great" when the case was half-false; admittedly may not have read carefully enough to see but i still found the timing slightly opportunistic and i can't remember anything else from his posts

El Barto i really don't know

GH is my highest scum, just from chox spew/underwhelming posting/i think he normally posts more, and more game-related stuff, even with a lot of posts

i dunno

highest scum doesn't really mean that much for me rn

Why don't lynch Zack?
What makes you think he's Town?
What has he contributed that's valuable to Town?

(Zack, don't get up in arms, this isn't a push, moving to your ISO in a moment for my own opinion, I just want Cuth's thoughts on the board).

[Zack]

No winston

You did my play made more sense driving towards a scum win

I then pointed out that i did exactly nothing to save choxorn from his gate, which is a direct contradiction from the above

You then dismissed this as emotional manipulation (???) and seem to have intentionally or accidentally misunderstood the point. I didn't say i pushed choxorn, i didn't. I pointed out a flaw in your characterization of me.

[Cass_]

wth

choxorn was not in the immediate lynch range if you ignore reps

it was not like oh do i lynch sooh or barto or choxorn

it was literally guys we should pick one of sooh or barto or something bc otherwise we're not going to lynch town

again, not considering reps

if i had gone after chox, i would be a psychic

you're basically complaining that i didn't suggest everyone lynch the scum, when... the scum was not a main lynch target

i'm sorry, why didn't YOU lynch choxorn

Why would you ignore the only votes that count?

[Zack]

Vote: Zack

Ignore the phone typos in the above post

[Cass_]

I was a little suspicious of Renata. But once i saw her response to Choxorn's post, it was a mindmeld which made me change my read on her. So yes, i thought Choxorn was wolfy.
barto was still my first choice though. And i did not want you to go for a 4th candidate (outside of Chox, Cuth & Barto)

Atheotes you specifically asked me to choose between only Cuth and Chox.

You never mentioned Barto.

Why wouldn't you want me choosing from a PoE that includes your top scum read?

It doesn't add up.

[Winston Hughes]

No winston

You did my play made more sense driving towards a scum win

I then pointed out that i did exactly nothing to save choxorn from his gate, which is a direct contradiction from the above

You then dismissed this as emotional manipulation (???) and seem to have intentionally or accidentally misunderstood the point. I didn't say i pushed choxorn, i didn't. I pointed out a flaw in your characterization of me.

The absence of an attempt to save chox is not evidence of anything.

You weren't in any position to save him.

To the contrary, it looks to me like such an attempt would only have made you look scummy at the time, let alone after he flipped.

[Montmorency]

you literally just said the exact same thing a few posts ago

what do you mean by that; what does his scum game look like

No I didn't. ISOISO Futuramafia and Confections here. You were there.

[Zack]

The absence of an attempt to save chox is not evidence of anything.

You weren't in any position to save him.

To the contrary, it looks to me like such an attempt would only have made you look scummy at the time, let alone after he flipped.

Regardless i don't know how you can say I'm scum siding when the most obviously beneficial scum play is something i decidedly did not do

[Zack]

I mean i don't think i have ever had/let a teammate be lynched d1 outside of a turbo, but i suppose pointing that out is just emotional wolf stuff.

[Cuthillius]

Why would you ignore the only votes that count?

like i said, because i forgot about that mechanic

i was briefly under the impression that popular vote was the thing

[Cuthillius]

Why don't lynch Zack?
What makes you think he's Town?
What has he contributed that's valuable to Town?

(Zack, don't get up in arms, this isn't a push, moving to your ISO in a moment for my own opinion, I just want Cuth's thoughts on the board).

he's had moments that make me think he's town

in particular near the end/after the argument about visor's case on me the other night and after winston's push on him

i can't say i'm convinced of his towniness, and there are things that make me worry wrt his tone

but i think he's both, in this game at least, possible to lynch later on if necessary, which isn't always the case, and has a decent likelihood of being town

and i'm not sure what to say to the last q

[Winston Hughes]

Regardless i don't know how you can say I'm scum siding when the most obviously beneficial scum play is something i decidedly did not do

Because that one thing you didn't do holds very little weight in the context of all the stuff you have done, as well as the other stuff you haven't done.

It's like all you care about is finding something you can use to defend yourself, to the point where you're resting on something that's just irrelevant.

At best, if you're actually town, you're just wasting my time and your own with this bit.

[Cuthillius]

Going through your ISO and cannot lean you either way other than your thoughts seem free flowing and I don't know that Scum come into a game making this much overt-vote-attracting noise. Neither of those things clear you imo.

I already looked at the hydra game we just finished, might try that again but essentially no, I'd prefer 'normal' games for cleaner analysis.

If I can't clear you I'm tempted to let the majority of voters have their way and lynch you for info tbh, so if you're Town you'd need to find a game that's easily comparable to how you've played here. If you're Scum, just carry on.

then that's going to be harder since i haven't played a ton and there is a decent amount of variance

for example the last two org games i died because i was trying to hold back on posting and ended up in the weird spot between the two styles i'm really accustomed to, which are not talking much and faster mu-type

gimme a sec

[Winston Hughes]

I don't want to hear any more defence from you, Zack.

It didn't help last night, and its not helping now.

Talk about something else other than yourself.

[Zack]

Because that one thing you didn't do holds very little weight in the context of all the stuff you have done, as well as the other stuff you haven't done.

It's like all you care about is finding something you can use to defend yourself, to the point where you're resting on something that's just irrelevant.

At best, if you're actually town, you're just wasting my time and your own with this bit.

So anything i can possibly say is arbitrarily decided to be irrelevant or simply emotional manipulation and a good townie would have just at there and turn it up the ass and fine nothing

Literally nothing i could possibly do would ever satisfy you, which is why i said you're being ridiculous. It's the same thing as jabbz. Just contortions to suit confirmation bias.

[Zack]

I don't want to hear any more defence from you, Zack.

It didn't help last night, and its not helping now.

Talk about something else other than yourself.

The are literally hundreds of posts of me doing that

The only current topic of the thread is me, my opinions on others are still the same