Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[El Barto]

You're not in my district. Visor will be elected in your district, and if DP and GH don't vote him lynched he will kill you dead.

Yeah, no.

[Visor]

At some point Monty you'll actually have to explain your read on me

and why it makes me mafia, of all things

[Monstrdude]

Sorry I had work today still there

I'll read the thread tomorrow

[Montmorency]

and why it makes me mafia, of all things

Of all things?

[El Barto]

and why it makes me mafia, of all things

Of all things?

Obviously Visor is a neutral survivor.

[Zack]

Actually, my bad, somehow I transposed you and Dp101. My apologies, my only excuse is I was bouncing back and forth between reading and cleaning. I still don't like the jump on you by the masses, but obviously the other part no longer stands. I need to go back now and reread what you said about it instead of Dp, but I'm likely still going to be pushing for Cass because no one else seems to be systematically approaching the idea, and I like that style.

As to D1, there isn't much you can do anyway, so yeah, pressure votes are fine. There is almost no way to tell a wolf on day 1 unless they make a drastic mistake. Instead, all you can do is get people to be on record as much as possible on a broad swath of topics, so you have information to cross check in future days. If you have some magic wand that lets you know for a fact who a wolf is on day 1, then I'd love to learn about it, until then however, I'll stick with my pressure votes.

how many people are even voting me for chancellor other than myself? why would that even warrant lynching me anyways?

this whole line of thought leading to your vote on me just seems like wolfy non-logic

[El Barto]

Does the vote-counter script work with all these colours?

[Zack]

Does the vote-counter script work with all these colours?

is this like last game again, where you care more about the counter's functionality than the votes themselves?

[El Barto]

is this like last game again, where you care more about the counter's functionality than the votes themselves?

Nah, last game I was mafia and kept expecting you lot to lynch atpg, which you kept failing to do.

Basically I'm OMGUS'ing Renata and voting for myself to be elected supreme ruler of the universe for now. :)

[Montmorency]

how many people are even voting me for chancellor other than myself?

Zack (5): Renata, GH, Zack, Choxorn, Montmorency

Nothing against you Zack, but it's time to break the early-lead advantage that invariably appears in this type of vote.

Unvote: Zack

Vote: Cass

[Cass_]

Cass, we can only have 3 or 5 districts in this game. 7 is unavailable as there is no Chancellor to redistrict yet, and tomorrow there will be 19 players. Just to clarify that.

Now, holding people accountable for votes needs to happen (in your view I assume) regardless of how representatives act, so the question is then: is it practical to enact or enforce, and if so will it actually keep voters accountable more than its absence?

Ty for numbers #themathsarehard

I get that abstinence from voting sometimes adds info in itself and that incorrect Town votes get used as ammunition by scum, so the bold is the million dollar question...

I wish you'd given your own opinion/answer!

In short I don't want a world where each phase sees only the representative's votes up for analysis.

I think not taking a clear stance in this setup that voting is expected from everybody ups the chance that Scum just coast through and we minimise the information we have to work with in each phase.

[Montmorency]

I wish you'd given your own opinion/answer!

I don't know buddy, just take my vote and lead me.

[El Barto]

I think Cass_ is a lass.

Also, for an alternative to Zack, vote me!

[Cass_]

just gut feeling about her early posts really

My vote for Zack is a combination of the early jump on him making me leery combined with the way he talks about using the chancellorship. As most votes are during this stage, it's just a pressure vote.

Why Dp over myself, I don't know anyone here, so I have no reads on any of you, except for Dp. I feel putting myself in the position of power doesn't benefit the group in any way, and this gives me someone that I've watched in a few games (as host no less) and so the possibility of getting additional information out of him increases as he becomes more high profile.
Basically, I'm working with what I have.

As to you, currently it appears to stand between you and Zack, who I don't want to get the job for the above mentioned reasons. IF another valid option comes along, I'll be happy to evaluate it, but again, you work with what you've got.

Ok for now except really early votes for a Representative/Chancellor with a "I'm lost" attitude seems strange to me.

Bold seems awkward for a reason to vote Dp101 when he was already contributing.

You should only vote me if you think I'm Towny enough for the role and that reasoning should have nothing to do with Zack.

Early Zack attention is freaky but in itself it's null wrt his own alignment imo, so many other players are involved and it can be twisted either way.

Do you have thoughts/leans on anyone else?

[Cass_]

That randomly included Visor post shouldn't be there cos lolEarlyVisor reads, but my gut leant it probably Towny motivation.

See where it goes.

[dicetosser1]

Aaandd in that case, representatives breaking the trust of their electors should be scrutinised heavily, and either way would probably provide valuable information for/through the next day, as long as as it isn't done by every representative in every phase.

?

Orrrr, is it smarter scum hunting strategy to elect people as representatives and force them to vote/justify their cases of their own volition, without direct input from their districts?

That allows mafia to hide in the mass. better that EVERYONE is accountable for who they wish voted and reps accountable for what they do with those thoughts

He claims double vote, and leaves it hanging.

what exactly do you want him to do with it? hes not a rep so he cant use it yet.

Also I think his claim helps put a towny sign on him. For mafia getting to be a rep and keeping DV secret is a better option. That way they can hide it and shrug and go idunno when it goes weird

But then who are we going to vote on? How are we going to find mafia?

its called scum hunting. that doesn't change

My vote for Zack is a combination of the early jump on him making me leery combined with the way he talks about using the chancellorship. As most votes are during this stage, it's just a pressure vote.

Why Dp over myself, I don't know anyone here, so I have no reads on any of you, except for Dp. I feel putting myself in the position of power doesn't benefit the group in any way, and this gives me someone that I've watched in a few games (as host no less) and so the possibility of getting additional information out of him increases as he becomes more high profile. Basically, I'm working with what I have.

As to you, currently it appears to stand between you and Zack, who I don't want to get the job for the above mentioned reasons. IF another valid option comes along, I'll be happy to evaluate it, but again, you work with what you've got.

I like this post. feels towny.

Also you not being familiar with people might be a really good reason to put you in charge D1. Have you just read off classic actions/reactions etc

[dicetosser1]

@PIZZA can we get a VC plz? iv lost track of my own vote never mind other peoples

[Jabbz]

how many people are even voting me for chancellor other than myself? why would that even warrant lynching me anyways?

this whole line of thought leading to your vote on me just seems like wolfy non-logic

Quarter of the players, as noted below. Also, there was another side to that argument, which yes, I was looking at the wrong person, but that means the above argument didn't exist in a vacuum. If you want to call me scummy for getting mixed up, knock yourself out, but don't try to pretend I only made half of the arguments that I typed out.

[Riedquat]

@Winston Hughes @BSmith @Csargo @Riedquat @El Barto @Monstrbro

gimme power please

As you wish!

Vote: Visor
Vote: Visor
Vote: Visor
Vote: Visor
Vote: Visor

[Jabbz]

Ok for now except really early votes for a Representative/Chancellor with a "I'm lost" attitude seems strange to me.

Bold seems awkward for a reason to vote Dp101 when he was already contributing.

You should only vote me if you think I'm Towny enough for the role and that reasoning should have nothing to do with Zack.

Early Zack attention is freaky but in itself it's null wrt his own alignment imo, so many other players are involved and it can be twisted either way.

Do you have thoughts/leans on anyone else?

I'm sorry, I thought I made that clear when I said I liked the style in which you were approaching the role. It felt solid towny. It wasn't in response to Zack, there were just only two options and I didn't, and still don't, like the speed at which votes piled on to him.

As to thoughts or leans, I'd say Dp is acting weird, but he's like a cat walking across a hot buttered skillet on a good day, so this is really par for the course here. Beyond that, not really no. I don't even have a lean per se on Zack, I just didn't like the attention he got. I'm positive that Jabbz guy is Town, beyond that, I'll get back to you tomorrow when I wake up. Night all.

[Dp101]

As to thoughts or leans, I'd say Dp is acting weird, but he's like a cat walking across a hot buttered skillet on a good day, so this is really par for the course here.

Ok, when you wake up, you need to tell me what this simile is meant to evoke, cause I'm really confused.

[Cass_]

Actually, my bad, somehow I transposed you and Dp101. My apologies, my only excuse is I was bouncing back and forth between reading and cleaning. I still don't like the jump on you by the masses, but obviously the other part no longer stands. I need to go back now and reread what you said about it instead of Dp, but I'm likely still going to be pushing for Cass because no one else seems to be systematically approaching the idea, and I like that style.

As to D1, there isn't much you can do anyway, so yeah, pressure votes are fine. There is almost no way to tell a wolf on day 1 unless they make a drastic mistake. Instead, all you can do is get people to be on record as much as possible on a broad swath of topics, so you have information to cross check in future days. If you have some magic wand that lets you know for a fact who a wolf is on day 1, then I'd love to learn about it, until then however, I'll stick with my pressure votes.

This reconsideration looks good and logic wrt confusing Dp checks out.

And ftr, Town have lynched wolves D1 in DM games pretty frequently. Not always 'drastic mistakes' on their part, just good pressure in the right places and straight talking from Townies.

Again, everyone just be awesome and hunt hard!

I think Cass_ is a lass.

Also, for an alternative to Zack, vote me!

I've been a lass in every game I've played, regardless as alignment :p

Do you propose yourself as an alternative to Zack as red or green vote?

You're a long way from Green for me :( If that's your aim you're going to have to step it onto the 'not-deliberately-scummy-all-the-time-because-whatever' side of things and use your time and wit to be Towny. Glgl!

Other thoughts: Monty's thing with Visor requires popcorn and input from other players.

Visor claimed double voter.

What do we do with that?

I say elect him as voter for his district and see what pans out.

or lynch him.

But I don't currently want to do that. Want real reasons from everybody before that becomes a thing.

Sooh, Dice, where you at?

[Montmorency]

For mafia getting to be a rep and keeping DV secret is a better option. That way they can hide it and shrug and go idunno when it goes weird

That's silly.

[Cass_]

Also you not being familiar with people might be a really good reason to put you in charge D1. Have you just read off classic actions/reactions etc

Why him over you Dice?

How many people besides Sooh and I are you familiar with here?

You read off classic actions/reactions too and Town!You isn't traditionally afraid to bellow out your own gut scum reads for lynch vote on those?

[Cass_]

@Monstrbro...

*Pokepokepokepokepokepokepokepokepoke* Get in here!

[Dp101]

Vote: Cuthillius cause I feel like the worst person to be put in charge of a D1 lynch and all the candidates who have posted in the thread have either just come out of a stressful voting situation in their previous game or are new here, so right now just going for someone who will probably be rational if they ever show up. I dunno, hard to vote in a district of lurkers.
Vote: GH because he seems to have his head on straight and is decently trustworthy.
Vote: Winston Hughes cause I want him to return to us.

[Visor]

All of that aside, Zack has shown to be a pretty damn effective town leader in the past, so I'd legitimately be fine with him becoming Chancellor to start the game. Naturally, I'd be happy to serve as his underling.

Vote: Zack

Vote: GH

You're perfectly welcome to put up an alternative choice and advocate for him/her. This is a democracy, after all.

I would not decline the position if it was offered to me, however, I would rather see Zack as Chancellor.

Vote: GH because he seems to have his head on straight and is decently trustworthy.

(that was Dp101)

.....what?

those are GH's only game related posts and you think he has his head on straight and is decently trustworthy because of that?

[Dp101]

Dammit, must have gotten people mixed up again. Let me reread the thread, I must have misattributed some posts.

[Dp101]

Screw it, I'm reading the thread and can't come up with any candidates that I like for my district. Visor, you seem town, who from my district do you think would do a good job at voting correctly?

[Visor]

Screw it, I'm reading the thread and can't come up with any candidates that I like for my district. Visor, you seem town, who from my district do you think would do a good job at voting correctly?

Why are you reading me town so early?

Schema - not posted
Cuthillius - not posted
Renata - okay
Choxorn - 1 post
Dp101 - you, i need to reread you
Jabbz - ehhhhhhhhhh
dicetosser1 - okay

probably renata at this point