Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[El Barto]

Districts must have minimum 3 members. So immediately after your scenario Districts would need to be redrawn/that imbalance could be avoided.

Fine by me if you can keep it under control.

And I KNOW you're always scummy in tone etc.

Not going to let that alone wash for a continued excuse of poor Town/anti Town play though. Lenience for that is pretty much up.

Reality is your ISO is still entirely fluff or hinging on the 'I'm scummy' meta and though there are hints you may be working more than you show, you haven't actually come through with the/any goods and I think there is possibly a difference between that, which was your scumStyle in Snake Cult, and Rappers where you were Town and got more widely involved.

Rappers… wasn't that atpg's game where we had 2k posts on D1 and he gave us a weeklong phase of fluff which I never bothered to read? If you want to compare with that I'm town. >_<

So, what do you want me to do? Tomorrow I should be out of the post-Christmas daze by tomorrow at around this same time and I should be in time to post, thanks to atpg's great decision to extend the phase (still not gonna be around for EoD as IRL that's a very bad time of day).

[Cass_]

There are roughly 48 hours remaining, minus one half hour.

@Renata, @Monstrbro - I will be on days off/should be able to be around to Rep/change my vote to the majority for our District towards EoD.

Happy to let one of you Rep if you can do the same - what will your movements be in last couple of hours of EoD?

Oh and the districts are out. D1 doesn't look ideal which I guess is the point, but wouldn't it have been better to have spread out all the people who seem scummy?

Anyway, Vote: Schema for being the towniest + not a lurker. I like their progression on D1, generally get a towny vibe from their posts.

What particularly do you like about the progression D1?Schema pushed and voted a now-confirmed Towny.

Why trust this over knowing your own alignment? You don't seem the lurker type either, so far.

Gun to head, who are your top choices for lynch right now?

And just ftr D3 Schema's jumps on Zack's 'Cass could be scum' consideration are making my skin crawl. Need to go back and look at *what happened with GH progression and if reasons were given for shifting to Cuth.

I'm leaning towards anyone from Cuth/Barto/Schema /District 1 aorn, *need a closer look at you and Riedquat.

[Cass_]

Fine by me if you can keep it under control.

Rappers… wasn't that atpg's game where we had 2k posts on D1 and he gave us a weeklong phase of fluff which I never bothered to read? If you want to compare with that I'm town. >_<

So, what do you want me to do? Tomorrow I should be out of the post-Christmas daze by tomorrow at around this same time and I should be in time to post, thanks to atpg's great decision to extend the phase (still not gonna be around for EoD as IRL that's a very bad time of day).

Promises, Promises... but good.

If you're Town I want you to use the time you have to hunt and clear yourself through action rather than self defense.

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Go ahead and continue what you're doing if you're Scum :p

The context of Rappers is much like here imo. I disagree you're more Towny here so far. Iirc you started same as both here and Snake cult, but picked up your game and branched out after the beginning phase in Rappers to a point where it was plausible you were Town.

My debate with you is the same discussion we've had ?there/before. If you're Town, drop the 'I'm always scummy'/random talk and a)focus on finding/pushing/hunting wolves; b)give your alignment-related opinions/reasons on the play of other players - form opinions and make them known more than you focus on self pres. Until that happens in a way that furthers/is relatable to Town agenda you stay scum-lean/WTL for me.

[Cass_]

@El Barto @Monstrbro @Renata

Also need to know your top WTL for D3

See previous posts for mine.

For now COLOR=Blue]Vote: Cass[/COLOR] though happy to change to Towny/Deepwolf there if are no strong disagreements on reads/leans and a) you want it b) can be around at EoD to represent the popular vote.

Let's catch some wooooolves!

[Cass_]

Lame.

Vote: Cass

Also gonna appreciate the longer phase to recover and holidays. Will pop in tonight when fam goes to bed, but won't be on all night.

[Zack]

Vote: Zack

[Riedquat]

Oh... my... :( This district sucks!!!

Vote: Riedquat because I do not trust anybody else in the district!

[Monstrdude]

@El Barto @Monstrbro @Renata

Also need to know your top WTL for D3

See previous posts for mine.

For now COLOR=Blue]Vote: Cass[/COLOR] though happy to change to Towny/Deepwolf there if are no strong disagreements on reads/leans and a) you want it b) can be around at EoD to represent the popular vote.

Let's catch some wooooolves!

Aorn anyone who's not my villagers

But it will be narrowed down eventually

I'm stuck in perpetual Christmas right now

[dicetosser1]

"Every player votes in their own district as if it is a direct lynch."
FTR I think this managing this properly is really important to Town.

Making individual votes count by being truly representative of democracy vs. dissent has the twofold benefit of playing to collective rather than individual Town power (more heads are better than three, or one) and making scum votes more accountable to trace.


I propose District Reps lead this by

Voting Twice.

First to kick off the preliminary lynch.

Second to represent the view of their District/Mini-Town.


I further propose that those who elect the winning representative vote with them as a consolidated core, leaving those outside the core to vote where they like and justify their dissent.

the problem with this is you take away all responsibility for their vote.

Vote: Cuthilius

Visor, do you want to be Rep, or can I be Rep? If you're Rep today I want to be Rep tomorrow.

Don't like this at all. Scum setting up to get power while trying not to look like it




My apologies to the game and pizza. Ive been crook as a dog and unable to focus enuff to play. Again my apologies. im many pages behind but will see what I can do about catch up

[dicetosser1]

vote Dice wont change. I KNOW im town I don't know that about the other two


vote Montmorency may change pending reread

[Renata]

@Renata, @Monstrbro - I will be on days off/should be able to be around to Rep/change my vote to the majority for our District towards EoD.

Happy to let one of you Rep if you can do the same - what will your movements be in last couple of hours of EoD?

I will probably be here.
vote: Renata

[Visor]

Vote: Visor

[Renata]

@El Barto @Monstrbro @Renata

Also need to know your top WTL for D3

See previous posts for mine.

For now COLOR=Blue]Vote: Cass[/COLOR] though happy to change to Towny/Deepwolf there if are no strong disagreements on reads/leans and a) you want it b) can be around at EoD to represent the popular vote.

Let's catch some wooooolves!

I think Cuth needs to die today. Visor's right that he's not solving.

If Cuth is town, lynch El Barto. If Cuth is wolf, lynch him too, I don't know.

I have significant paranoia about Zack right now, but I hope it can wait.

[Renata]

Championing? Entertaining, nothing more. My priority is making sure that whoever replaces dp is town. I'm a little paranoid that he got killed as a confirmed townie and that a wolf is going to try to take that power. I hope Cass doesn't redistrict.

This statement bothers me.

[Visor]

The other issue I'd like to see addressed is Schema's popin at SOD and EOD and ignoring the entire middle. She shows up at SOD has her little spiel, goes away and then comes back at EoD and has another little spiel. I'm finding it harder and harder to let that keep going.

[Visor]

Ha! Great minds eh?

[Renata]

:p

I had made note of one more post asking me questions that I wanted to respond to, but heck if I can find it now.

[Fenn]

What particularly do you like about the progression D1?Schema pushed and voted a now-confirmed Towny.

Why trust this over knowing your own alignment? You don't seem the lurker type either, so far.

Gun to head, who are your top choices for lynch right now?

And just ftr D3 Schema's jumps on Zack's 'Cass could be scum' consideration are making my skin crawl. Need to go back and look at *what happened with GH progression and if reasons were given for shifting to Cuth.

I'm leaning towards anyone from Cuth/Barto/Schema /District 1 aorn, *need a closer look at you and Riedquat.

If I was playing D1 I would have pushed Sooh too, at least until the PR claim (and IIRC Schema backed off at that point). APart from that I thought Schema did pretty well explaining her reasoning for her reads. And of course I'd like to be the rep, but I don't forsee getting elected. SOmebody has to vote for another person.

Top lynch choice right now is Cuthillius. El Barto maybe, but I think he can wait for later and he is less suspicious if Cuth is a wolf. I still haven't gotten around to doing the D2 reread like I was planning, need to ISO Riedquat and Schema too and compare them.

[Fenn]

ok well the riedquat ISO didn't take long at all. Not a fan of the self-effacing tone, but points for being clear and direct I guess. I could be persuaded to elect him. Riedquat who would you lynch if you had your way?

[Visor]

Who are your top villagers and wolves, fenn?

[atheotes]

vote Dice wont change. I KNOW im town I don't know that about the other two


vote Montmorency may change pending reread

What is your take on Cuth & El Barto?

[Montmorency]

Vote: Visor

How do you govern them if you spread them out?

Way I see it, spreading them out makes it easier for them to influence more lynch candidates, putting a Towny in with the biggest bunch of them likely just wastes the Towny's vote.

I considered adding Renata/I there but decided it would be better to replace with another scummy so that the next District over/Leftover ?scummland has a better chance of Townier balance.

I think that's wrong in the first place, unless you expect 2 or more of District 1 to be scum. But that's not even the thrust of my argument, which is that there is a select group of acceptable candidates and only people from that group should be getting elected by your grace. At the very least, if you think a given district is scummy, then put someone like Renata or yourself over them because they'll have no excuses not to elect you. Your justification for grouping your scum leans (or whatever those guys are) was to avoid their gaining power, but if you are correct in your reads then giving them power is precisely what you accomplish by giving them a district. As for gaining information from votes, there are plenty of good Rep candidates - Winston, Monstr, Visor, Zack - whom we need such information on. Fenn or Riedquat as Rep over one of those is clearly suboptimal.

By the way, your vote was invalid.

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Don't like this at all. Scum setting up to get power while trying not to look like it

How's that, then? I demand an explanation. Frivolous sussing is out of vogue atp.

[Riedquat]

ok well the riedquat ISO didn't take long at all. Not a fan of the self-effacing tone, but points for being clear and direct I guess. I could be persuaded to elect him. Riedquat who would you lynch if you had your way?

Vote: Cuth to start with, later the rest of our district, as I said yesterday to me zack and Barto are town, so I prefer any of us before any of those, Bsmith perhaps after Barto...

Honestly I would be a terrible rep but at least I know I'm townie ;)

[Riedquat]

I think that's wrong in the first place, unless you expect 2 or more of District 1 to be scum. But that's not even the thrust of my argument, which is that there is a select group of acceptable candidates and only people from that group should be getting elected by your grace. At the very least, if you think a given district is scummy, then put someone like Renata or yourself over them because they'll have no excuses not to elect you. Your justification for grouping your scum leans (or whatever those guys are) was to avoid their gaining power, but if you are correct in your reads then giving them power is precisely what you accomplish by giving them a district. As for gaining information from votes, there are plenty of good Rep candidates - Winston, Monstr, Visor, Zack - whom we need such information on. Fenn or Riedquat as Rep over one of those is clearly suboptimal.

I strongly agree with this, but now is to late to do something about it. Suboptimal...lol

[Montmorency]

@Cass_

Regarding Barto btw, I don't think Barto is playing like in Snake Cult, where he seemed much more direct and engaged. If you'll recall, having read it, I found him scummy from the beginning and tunneled him until LYLO, at which point I saw something alarming in GH and pushed his lynch, at which point Town lost.

[Riedquat]

Vote: Cuth to start with, later the rest of our district, as I said yesterday to me zack and Barto are town, so I prefer any of us before any of those, Bsmith perhaps after Barto...

Honestly I would be a terrible rep but at least I know I'm townie ;)

I meant after Cuth, not Barto... scummy me! :P

[Renata]

@Cass_

Regarding Barto btw, I don't think Barto is playing like in Snake Cult, where he seemed much more direct and engaged. If you'll recall, having read it, I found him scummy from the beginning and tunneled him until LYLO, at which point I saw something alarming in GH and pushed his lynch, at which point Town lost.

What does this mean, for those of us who haven't been following along? He was scum there and more direct and engaged?

How do you feel his play is this game compares to his play in Visor's?

[atheotes]

Well, this game he hasnt showed any intent to solve.
Right now, i find it very difficult to look past El barto and Cuth.

[Renata]

Riedquat's reminding me of town-Riedquat from last game. Not that that's a particularly high bar to clear, but .

[Montmorency]

What does this mean, for those of us who haven't been following along? He was scum there and more direct and engaged?

How do you feel his play is this game compares to his play in Visor's?

The closest to Bart last game here is dicetosser.

Bart is dissimilar from last game in activity and intensity (so far), but the difference in content (i.e. single-issue voting, commenting to distraction) may be more driven by his specific strategy vis-a-vis Pizza-partner, so that may come out null. More or less as I said before, nothing towny but not really scummy atp.

Scenarios for that could be one scum partner under heavy criticism or engagement, with the rest UTR. It begs more data, surely.