Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Dp101]

I will replicate your chancellor vote too, since that is the one you rightfully pointed out as bad, I'm just doubting my other one too.

[Dp101]

Why are you reading me town so early?

Honestly I am feeling lost and confused after talking about mechanics to the point where I feel my ideas for how to play this are really really bad, and you seem like a voice of reason that I can latch on to for now. Your insistence on ending mechanics talk feels like the right choice and not something mafia would be interested in at this point, so I am inclined to trust you.

[Visor]

Any strong villager or wolf reads?

[Zack]

(that was Dp101)

.....what?

those are GH's only game related posts and you think he has his head on straight and is decently trustworthy because of that?

seems like some good posts to me

[Dp101]

Any strong villager or wolf reads?

I would have thought you had seem enough of my games so far to know that I rarely have strong reads, especially at this stage. Anyway, Cass seems town, Zack's train of support feels really weird but his tone is town, Sooh is at least not W/W with you, but isn't looking that town, Monty is talking about mechanics a little more than I would have expected, but given that I have proved incapable of reading him he stays at null. Renata seems like her usual self along with Jabbz, both town for now. Everyone else is pretty much null due to lack of posts or being Barto.

[Dp101]

seems like some good posts to me

Help help, my sarcasm detector is broken, are you being serious or not?

[dicetosser1]

That's silly.

WHY is it silly?

Why him over you Dice?

How many people besides Sooh and I are you familiar with here?

You read off classic actions/reactions too and Town!You isn't traditionally afraid to bellow out your own gut scum reads for lynch vote on those?

You know that if I do it im gonna listen to other people but am still likely to go my own way. And I don't think people are going to like that especially if town dies which numerically is more likely.
Plus im not totally up on the mechanism for this. If districts got a QT id be fine with it, if im just gonna have to go from what I see in thread im in trouble cause I have no idea how to iso on DM let alone here. Althou timewise this WOULD be the perfect week for me to do this.

im not against it im just not pushing it


Pizza said when recruiting ive played with a few here but tbh I don't remember my other game/s here and it was long enuff ago that I had to reregister. Ive played 1 with visor on perc and am in the middle of one atm on jn with him but that's about it.

is monstrbro our monstr/manbat??

[Montmorency]

WHY is it silly?

Because the same would apply to a town player.

[Cass_]

Honestly I am feeling lost and confused after talking about mechanics to the point where I feel my ideas for how to play this are really really bad, and you seem like a voice of reason that I can latch on to for now. Your insistence on ending mechanics talk feels like the right choice and not something mafia would be interested in at this point, so I am inclined to trust you.

I don't think any of us understand or have the perfect solution for mechanics here, so if you're Town definitely don't let that get you down.

I would have thought you had seem enough of my games so far to know that I rarely have strong reads, especially at this stage. Anyway, Cass seems town, Zack's train of support feels really weird but his tone is town, Sooh is at least not W/W with you, but isn't looking that town, Monty is talking about mechanics a little more than I would have expected, but given that I have proved incapable of reading him he stays at null. Renata seems like her usual self along with Jabbz, both town for now. Everyone else is pretty much null due to lack of posts or being Barto.

Can you elaborate on Renata? I haven't got any particularly strong Town vibes from her posts/ISO at this point.

What's standing out to me so far is a focus mostly on mechanics and banter, and a possibly opportunistic vote on Jabbz who seems pretty Towny in follow-up.

Early game though and I have no meta on her. What makes you think she's Town?

[Cass_]

WHY is it silly?





You know that if I do it im gonna listen to other people but am still likely to go my own way. And I don't think people are going to like that especially if town dies which numerically is more likely.
Plus im not totally up on the mechanism for this. If districts got a QT id be fine with it, if im just gonna have to go from what I see in thread im in trouble cause I have no idea how to iso on DM let alone here. Althou timewise this WOULD be the perfect week for me to do this.

im not against it im just not pushing it


Pizza said when recruiting ive played with a few here but tbh I don't remember my other game/s here and it was long enuff ago that I had to reregister. Ive played 1 with visor on perc and am in the middle of one atm on jn with him but that's about it.

is monstrbro our monstr/manbat??

There's a possibility here that Scum depend on Town pulling itself apart D1 and would take a deliberate step back from the heat of being a rep.

You taking a step back and making suggestions for someone else to take the wheel when you're a kind of "I'll do it MY way" player is kind of my point.

Who cares if people don't like your vote? If you like it and can defend it, why wouldn't you want it to count?

If you're Town just scumhunt. Do you. Justify your position and let us figure out if it's Scummy or not. Like normal.

ISO here is by going to the main gameroom, then clicking on the number of replies link next to this game, then the number of posts link next to the player you want to ISO.

I'm running with the theory that monstrbro has to be ours unless people confirm otherwise, I suggested to Pizza he might like this setup since he's hunting for new ways to Town, and how many players are gonna run with 'monstr' spelt that way?

[dicetosser1]

Because the same would apply to a town player.

not necessarily. Revealing it D1 is a bit out there but not that much but scum?? ideally they wouldn't want it outted if possible. keeping it secret can cause mislynches as town scrambles to figure out who caused the weirdness.

[dicetosser1]

There's a possibility here that Scum depend on Town pulling itself apart D1 and would take a deliberate step back from the heat of being a rep.

You taking a step back and making suggestions for someone else to take the wheel when you're a kind of "I'll do it MY way" player is kind of my point.

Who cares if people don't like your vote? If you like it and can defend it, why wouldn't you want it to count?

If you're Town just scumhunt. Do you. Justify your position and let us figure out if it's Scummy or not. Like normal.

ISO here is by going to the main gameroom, then clicking on the number of replies link next to this game, then the number of posts link next to the player you want to ISO.

I'm running with the theory that monstrbro has to be ours unless people confirm otherwise, I suggested to Pizza he might like this setup since he's hunting for new ways to Town, and how many players are gonna run with 'monstr' spelt that way?

cass how well does my defence of a gut read ever go on any site except DM where they know me?

I don't really care tbh they want me to rep I will rep and if they don't like my decision that's tough. Or I can sit back and scumhunt as im doing.

right now if I had my way id be lynching hankerchief that one IS a gut read plus a little logical poaranoia

and whoever this guy I just replied to is. (I ended up in a different screen somehow and cant see his name)

[dicetosser1]

just gonna call him monty grin

[Sooh]

i read his posts when i was half asleep

and they were okay, didn't really lean me one way or the other

maybe slightly good

in fact lets just make a yolo judgement call here

sooh is a wolf

zack is a villager
renata is a villager
monty is... probably a wolf (yolo)
cass is a villager
choxorn is a villager
dice is a villager
dp is (yolo) a villager
gh is a villager
jabbz could be a wolf but idk yet

and thats my reads rn

and if you ask why #feels

Glad you're becoming proficient at reading me.

[Sooh]

Soohbear, got brain's on what will work best for Town here?

My head hurts

I'm having trouble seeing how the mechanics will work best for either party at the moment. It's all up in the air for me right now.

Like, a viable scum strategy could be to keep their own members in just enough groups to where they could swing the vote their way, while stacking obvious villagers together in other groups making those groups larger, but with less votes or influence. That's my understanding of gerrymandering, and I assume that's what we're trying to avoid here. I think keeping the groups as even as possible is the most pro-town, regardless of the amount of groups.

[Sooh]

Vote: Sooh

[Sooh]

And I'm caught up.

Guys, please don't expect me to be here at night, or early morning, or even day or evening. Just don't expect me, that's all.

I'll attempt to make my opinions known, however with this much mechanics talk it's hard to assess who's being genuine or not. It's not hard to do mechanics talk when scum.

[Montmorency]

keeping it secret can cause mislynches as town scrambles to figure out who caused the weirdness.

And if he continues in his position of rep?

[Visor]

Glad you're becoming proficient at reading me.

We've barely played together

[Sooh]

We've barely played together

True. You have an excuse.

[Winston Hughes]

Vote: Winston Hughes

Vote: Visorslash

Vote: El Barto

I should be chancellor because for once I've actually got enough time to play properly. This also means I'm going to get killed early by the scum, which means you'll get another pick soon enough.

Visor should be our rep because he's rolled up here wearing his town swag. Not that it's beyond him to fake, obviously, but it's reassuring to see him wave it about.

El Barto should swing because he's trying to stretch a self-serving metagame justification for non-revealing behaviour to cover actively anti-town behaviour.

[Montmorency]

Visor should be our rep because he's rolled up here wearing his town swag. Not that it's beyond him to fake, obviously, but it's reassuring to see him wave it about.

Only in like the first post. All downhill from there. Be on panic alert.

[Winston Hughes]

Jabbz's tone seems quite different from my (admittedly very limited) experience of his scum game.

Could be any number of reasons for that, not least that he's playing to a different audience.

But I like how he's playing it so far. Gets a town point.

[Winston Hughes]

Only in like the first post. All downhill from there. Be on panic alert.

Do you ever act this hammy as town?

[Winston Hughes]

That's a genuine question, btw.

I don't recall having seen it before.

[Winston Hughes]

Reading Monty now. Ballsy if scum, but that's par for the course. So far it's all scenery chewing and mechanics. Not a great look.

[Renata]

Is that why you have him voted as representative?

Why not yourself?

My top criteria for rep is someone I think is a townie; failing that, as it's only day one, someone I think I can read. After the game I just played with dp in it, I hope I can read him and be comfortable he's a townie before too long. Certainly more of a chance there than anyone else in my group, none of whom I've played with.

I'm not sure why not me. I may miss end of days this week and into the holiday weekend, but that might not have stopped me if I really wanted the job. I just don't.

[Winston Hughes]

Reaction to Visor is enormous christmas ham.

W/W not likely because it's not Visor's style.

W/W not impossible because it is Monty's style.

[Renata]

[QUOTE=Jabbz;2053728925
As to D1, there isn't much you can do anyway, so yeah, pressure votes are fine. There is almost no way to tell a wolf on day 1 unless they make a drastic mistake. Instead, all you can do is get people to be on record as much as possible on a broad swath of topics, so you have information to cross check in future days. If you have some magic wand that lets you know for a fact who a wolf is on day 1, then I'd love to learn about it, until then however, I'll stick with my pressure votes.[/QUOTE]

What is with this defeatism about day one from you and dp? Its hogwash, IMO. Of course you can catch wolves on day one, and for real reasons, too. I don't think my reads are much better than chance right now on the whole, but in another game I called out three wolves on day one -- voted two and vigged another -- and was right all three times. It can happen.

Your first post reminded me of one of them.

[Winston Hughes]

Why should I never be lynched, Renata?