Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

Montmorency - utterly bizarre posting. Steadfast refusal to engage me in a dialogue about my posts which he continues to call scummy with no reasoning. Could be either, but the spiteful person inside me says wolf.

To put it in a way you can recognize, you made scumtells and from then on you have never posted anything townie. Now talk about why you don't want to "burn out" as rep tomorrow.

[Visor]

Thoughts?

I could potentially slide Cass up a spot I guess, I just need to see some more game related things.

Think Riedquat possibly town on a hunch.

Er, that was supposed to be Dicetosser not Dicktosser SORRY.

Need a few more flips to feel comfortable with the progression of my reads

[Renata]

This is, afaik, Jabbz's first game off RB - which is pretty much an island culture - and also his first game since the summer.

But I know from experience that he's a strong scum player, and I doubt he'll be making the kinds of obvious mistakes you're seeing here.

So he's talking like scum because he's a townie? I mean, that's pretty much where we're at, isn't it?

[Visor]

To put it in a way you can recognize, you made scumtells and from then on you have never posted anything townie. Now talk about why you don't want to "burn out" as rep tomorrow.

Considering the vast majority of the game disagree with you, either you're Cassandra, or you're dead wrong.

My posts have been quite townie, actually.

[atheotes]

I imagine they become both district rep and chancellor and can break ties

aka supreme power

aka give it to me

yeah..makes sense.
even if you, Cuth and Cass are the reps, with Cass unlikely to vote for you, your claimed double vote should see Cuth lynched.
Why are you after more power?

[Renata]

Visor a bit OTT on Sooh from a page or two back. Is anything she's done villagery? Nope, not a thing. Could she be a villager despite that? Maybe. I've seen worse.

[Visor]

yeah..makes sense.
even if you, Cuth and Cass are the reps, with Cass unlikely to vote for you, your claimed double vote should see Cuth lynched.
Why are you after more power?

Because

a) I want to die
b) I am the only person I fully trust to make the right decisions?

[Visor]

Visor a bit OTT on Sooh from a page or two back. Is anything she's done villagery? Nope, not a thing. Could she be a villager despite that? Maybe. I've seen worse.

We've all seen worse, I just thought she was a good candidate for lynching because of the way she had approached the game. The snark in her replies compared to the zero work she put in was not a good look.

[atheotes]

Bold does not compute as possible consecutive thoughts in a post and looks fake. Content is also much more generic reads-y than I remember of town-chox from last game. Wouldn't mind seeing a vote or three on you right now.

Renata trending up!

[Montmorency]

Bold does not compute as possible consecutive thoughts in a post and looks fake. Content is also much more generic reads-y than I remember of town-chox from last game. Wouldn't mind seeing a vote or three on you right now.

Why is that? Are you drawing some inference between

Oh shit I totally forgot the game had started

and

I've been spending the past couple of hours reading through the thread

If so, that seems perfectly "natural" to me.

[Montmorency]

In this game, killing inactives and lurkers may be the best strategy for Mafia to take when they don't have a pressing target.

[Renata]

I'd like people to give a read on Cuth.

He's null to me as someone who's never played with him before. No townie points at first glance, nothing that grabs my attention as coming from scum. You and Zack are saying he's acted a certain way towards you before when scum. What does he do as town?

[Renata]

Renatas recent posts read very well to me.

Really? Because I just caught up with them myself and got the sneaking suspicion I'm being ridiculous about Jabbz. At least one of the points I thought I was making actually sucked.

If you mean they look like I'm town, well yeah.

[Visor]

Really? Because I just caught up with them myself and got the sneaking suspicion I'm being ridiculous about Jabbz. At least one of the points I thought I was making actually sucked.

If you mean they look like I'm town, well yeah.

The latter. I don't care for the point you make in them so much, just that you come across as townie to me in the posts.

[atheotes]

Because

a) I want to die
b) I am the only person I fully trust to make the right decisions?

Dont worry you will die soon enough if you are telling the truth abt your vote. It is very likely that we have a 3 way tie for the lynch today. you prove your power and you get NKed. No chance of using your chancellor powers.

regarding Cuth, I iso'd and dont see anything to call him town. Dont know if he would get fixated like this as wolf. have to say Null.

[Winston Hughes]

The rest of Cuth:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

you get -points right away for having three scum and fishing for lynches while doing one hardish town read and one soft one

Responding to Schema's reads.

Not seen this before, and generally I hate pre-packed scumreading devices.

But it's an explanation, at least.

*skipping some spam posts around here*

meh

ime town tend to have more scum than town reads off the bat

particularly though it does feel like very much fishing for a lynch on any of three, 0-1 of which would be scum if teamed

Explaining his method. Don't like it, don't see it helping, but not scummy in itself.

meh i disagree with the case on sooh

i think it's bad

i think she's always utr

and i think visor is making a subpar push on him

his play is very similar to the hydra game i think

didn't read the last three pages, but i did ctrl+f my name

and saw glimpses

monstr is trending up a little

i still trust zack over cass

I disagree with every lean here. Which, I suppose, illustrates my problem with reading Cuth.

anyway

i think there are probably

if visor is scum

one-two scum always in with him in that district

i definitely don't trust him with the power of that and highly recommend choosing someone else and yeah

zack did you start liking him more

Assumes Visor is scum, extrapolates from that to find other unnamed group members scummy, and says we should choose someone else, but gives no kind of explanation as to the why, who, what or how. This is never changing anybody's mind, so what is the point of it?

This is so bad I'd be tempted to push his lynch over it, except for one thing: I lynched Cuth for saying horrible stuff last time we met, and while I was right about it being horrible, I was wrong to think he was scum.

bc i was town in the hydra game

and he's playing more like that as far as attitude than he did in mountainous

and i'm not just talking about lolcatting vs shitposting

Responding to Zack on the Visor question. Hasn't really talked about much else.

cass is able to vomit questions and analysis walls as scum

i don't think her tone is scum here but i do think mechanical stuff or whatever analysis and exam you're talking about is not really that valid at this stage of the game

and i fail to see how it's really much better than the case for zack

who i think is more likely to be around consistently and be able to lead town and interact with people in a manner that we need

what time is eod again

Responding to Jabbz. Justifies support for Zack on meta grounds. Finding new ways to talk about same stuff.

hydra 8 she talked plenty

tone was a little different but she did keep up as far as word count

had giant talky walls

Meta info on Cass is welcome. Still only talking about the same tiny handful of people, though.

[Renata]

Renata trending up!

Aww, you're trending up for me too. Symbolic-vote choxorn with me if your vote is not otherwise usefully occupied. I'm trending lolRenata on Jabbz and want to roll with that for a while.

vote: choxorn

[Visor]

I disagree with every lean here. Which, I suppose, illustrates my problem with reading Cuth.

This is so bad I'd be tempted to push his lynch over it, except for one thing: I lynched Cuth for saying horrible stuff last time we met, and while I was right about it being horrible, I was wrong to think he was scum.

Whilst I agree (and certainly Cuth's posting being 'bad' has been a reason I have correctly townread him before) this is... a little too far gone for my liking.

[Winston Hughes]

Overall, even when attempting to correct for my Cuth problem, he doesn't look great.

Narrow focus, lack of explanation, no evidence of development.

[Renata]

Why is that? Are you drawing some inference between



and



If so, that seems perfectly "natural" to me.

Yes. If you've just spent the last couple hours catching up, since when is your first thought when you finally get around to posting, "oh shit I forgot the game started".

[Montmorency]

since when is your first thought when you finally get around to posting, "oh shit I forgot the game started".

Why would it have to be the first thought to be included? Writing doesn't work the same way as connected speech.

[Winston Hughes]

So he's talking like scum because he's a townie? I mean, that's pretty much where we're at, isn't it?

Could be he's fooling me and others, while you and Zack have him bang to rights. But he vibes townie to me so far, and I feel like you're reaching.

[Renata]

Overall, even when attempting to correct for my Cuth problem, he doesn't look great.

Narrow focus, lack of explanation, no evidence of development.

In light of your iso it's hard to be overly concerned with Visor tunneling Cuth on meta, even if that is what he is doing.

[Renata]

Why would it have to be the first thought to be included? Writing doesn't work the same way as connected speech.

Fine. Compare this first post to choxorn's output in Visor's game and tell me what you think.

[Montmorency]

Fine. Compare this first post to choxorn's output in Visor's game and tell me what you think.

I don't get you. Half his posts were fluff, most of the rest declaiming Riedquat, and a bit of content venturing one or two other players. This was over a dozen posts or fewer, in two day phases.

If you are trying to say that he's making too much of an effort in this game at appearing engaged - which you don't seem to be - then even so the posts thus far have been nothing.

[Winston Hughes]

Monty's doing that thing where I don't understand half of what he says.

Can't say he wouldn't post like that as town, but I've certainly seen it from him as scum.

[Renata]

I don't get you. Half his posts were fluff, most of the rest declaiming Riedquat, and a bit of content venturing one or two other players. This was over a dozen posts or fewer, in two day phases.

If you are trying to say that he's making too much of an effort in this game at appearing engaged - which you don't seem to be - then even so the posts thus far have been nothing.

That was in fact my contention. Post a few reads and leave choxorn is dubious to me.

[Renata]

Monty's doing that thing where I don't understand half of what he says.

Can't say he wouldn't post like that as town, but I've certainly seen it from him as scum.

Good to know I guess, because he's really different from his scum game last time out.

[Winston Hughes]

Reading Cass.

Mechanics talk is substantive and reasonable. Townie enough, but easy.

Interactions generally feel quite relaxed.

Asks a lot of questions, which is an easy way to fake towning, but I'm following the thought processes.

Defence of mechanics talk in 178 is townie. 'Why stop it?' is a fair question.

Giving opinions and seeking info on multiple fronts, all from believable process.

Opinion on Visor's election in 328 is one of those explains-my-own-feelings-better-than-I-can moments.

Weighing of Jabbz in same and subsequent posts also feels townie.

Seems keen to talk with and about everyone, and seek understanding with it.

Repeatedly shows thoughts similar to my own.

Stalling response to Monstr's request for reads on Schema is about the worst thing I've found from Cass, and it's hardly a thing at all.

Overall, looks like town all the way. Impressive work if scum.

[Montmorency]

but I've certainly seen it from him as scum.

Go on plz.