Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Winston Hughes]

Go on plz.

I tend to nudge townie on people who say stuff I don't follow, on the grounds that scum would usually prefer to avoid being misunderstood, and thus will aim for clarity.

But I repeatedly found myself struggling to understand you in Futaramafia, and there you were scum.

Throwaway point, I know, but I'm just saying what I see.

[Winston Hughes]

Unvote

Vote: Cass

[Montmorency]

CSARGO! HE COULD BE scum.

But I repeatedly found myself struggling to understand you in Futaramafia, and there you were scum.

Interestingly, Renata seems to have found clarity and precision a hallmark of my scum game - but you two have seen me scum only once, and in separate games.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

divide and conquer

[Renata]

Somebody somewhere drew attention to a possible inconsistency in monstr's reads, and I can't find that post again and it's driving me nuts. I could iso Monstr and try that way, but 100+ posts.

[Renata]

Not clarity and precision as such, Monty, but yeah. Nothing like this current impenetrable behavior.

[Csargo]

unvote, Vote: Cass_

[Renata]

Iso here ends at 100 posts: Oh joy.

[Winston Hughes]

Iso here ends at 100 posts: Oh joy.

Bummer.

Still better than CFC, though, which had lost the function altogether last time I looked.

[Winston Hughes]

Have to say, for all my historical paranoia, Renata's flow and activity does look townie here.

[Winston Hughes]

And I thought Pizza's textwalls were bad...

Seriously, make your point more succinctly, or quote some of the posts you're referring to, or something, because this is more or less a bland wall of text, it's hard to see the evidence if you don't quote anything Zack has actually said, and I can't really parse a lot of it to make sense of what your argument is.

Of all the things you could have talked about, why did you choose this?

[BSmith]

Ugh. I was offline this weekend. Doing my best to get caught up... but 30 pages already ?!

Please tell me they are all worth reading.

[Winston Hughes]

Please tell me they are all worth reading.

You will never see a finer display of democratic debate. Enjoy.

[BSmith]

Just in case..

Vote: Winston
Vote: Visor
Vote: Al Sips

I have read absolutely nothing of the game so far, so take the above with a massive grain of salt…

[BSmith]

You will never see a finer display of democratic debate. Enjoy.

Not sure my expectations have risen with this statement...

[Renata]

Hey BSmith. The thread is 100% spam, ignore it and just stay a while.

Maybe not really.

[Jabbz]

You missed my district vote for Cuth.



And I thought Pizza's textwalls were bad...

Seriously, make your point more succinctly, or quote some of the posts you're referring to, or something, because this is more or less a bland wall of text, it's hard to see the evidence if you don't quote anything Zack has actually said, and I can't really parse a lot of it to make sense of what your argument is.

I tried repeatedly to get these idea's through Zack's head. Using direct quotes. It didn't work. If this doesn't work, that's fine, but I made the effort. Moving on.

[Renata]

OK, finally got done reading up on monstrbro. He's got pretty impressive tone and flow. I didn't find the reads inconsistency that I remember someone mentioning; he's good in that regard.

The only single post I had a problem with is 476, where he says it sucks when your biggest wolfread (Monty) has two of the biggest town reads (cass and dp) as his own town reads. This strikes me as possible wolf concerned about consistency -- I don't understand the concern otherwise especially when the reads are so consensus -- but it's not much.

If Monstro is wolf and has a flaw, it's in his lack of confidence on non-town reads compared to his town ones. He's very back and forth on sooh but seems to be leaning town until visor makes his iso-spam, at which point he votes her. As soon as Sooh shows up and starts to AtE he's right back to probably villagery. His other scum read, Monty, is not engaged with much and his latest statement where monty's attack on visor is wolfy but his persistence almost villagery doesn't say much. Keeps talking about possibility the wolves are all in the low posters. To his credit, post 666 criticizing Monty for jumping the gun on sooh's lynch does seem indicative of some ongoing (and hence real) suspicion.

Compare with literally all of his town reads, which are either stated outright as "this is villagery" or progress from minor discomfort to totally villagery in pretty short order (like with winston). I don't know, could be a scum with issues contriving cases.

tl;dr: I could see him as wolf.

[Jabbz]

Not to get too paranoid and OMG scum slip on someone I was already voting or whatever, but what on earth is this post replying to? I've just read all the posts leading up to it, and there seems to be nothing it could possibly be. @Jabbz

Sorry, post #661. Not sure why I thought that my response was contiguous, but it's more likely related to the fact that it was almost midnight, and I usually am not up that late.

ok i did some research and in fact elected reps are the only votes who count today which seems kinda wonky since they haven't been elected yet but whatever and also the phase is over in like 14 hours i think

[Jabbz]

So are you saying your earlier scumread on Zack is now a townread? With zero progression? Even if "I misread you" refers to something specific instead a general read on Zack, "I'm pretty sure it's not contributing anything useful" doesn't seem like the sort of thing you say to your top scum suspect. Or about comments about yourself, for that matter.

Please explain.

No, this is in reference to conflating him with Dp101 early in the game. This is well documented in multiple other posts.

[Cass_]

Oook, skimmed and sorting out my thoughts. Need to dig into more ISOs to have any confidence in most of this, but approximately where I'm at

Renata
atheotes

Monstrbro
Zack
Visor
dicetosser1


Dp101
Cuthillius



Jabbz /Winston Hughes
GeneralHankerchief/Montmorency/El Barto /
Sooh* / Schema



Inactive/low posters

Have no idea what to do with these given the superlowpost theme for some players at this site. I find most of it inherently scummy but it could be their normal styles/don't know how much bias I'm reading in for super low posts/late starts. Would really appreciate those who know them looking into it/meta help on these wrt volume/amount of content posts D1 in each alignment

Choxorn - 3 posts -
#25 fanfare/Zack for Chancellor
#783 Forgot game started, Reads: Zack still looks good, Town Renata, Cuth, GH. Cuth rep for District One. El Barto / Monty impossible to read. Was going to vote Sooh before she claimed PR. Nil scum reads.
#793 corrects atheotes for district vote.

Al Sipsclar - No posts.

BSmith - 3 posts.
#881 - was offline/catching up
#883Votes just in case/no reading
#884 fluff

Csargo - 3 posts,
Monty Chancellor, Winston Rep, Sooh scum;
comment on brain melting;
Me for Chancellor.

Riedquat - 1 post, voted Visor all colours with a clown. No game related comments.

[Jabbz]

This about Sooh from someone who just trotted out a patronizing post about how she should always share her thoughts if she thinks she's about to be mislynched, because then at least we can trust they come from a town perspective. No progression. It's just words.

I'm done commenting post by post now because this is getting ridiculous. Either Jabbz is the scummiest scum who ever scummed or we're on totally different wavelengths and always will be. I'll make a proper summary in a couple hours and what will be will be.

I'm not sure why you took my post to be patronizing. There are two possible situations that exist here, and I addressed both. In one, Sooh is town, feeling stressed and cornered, and no longer wants to contribute. In that instance I want their reads because they will be useful should they be lynched and flip town. I was attempting to be encouraging, if that came out patronizing, it certainly wasn't my intent.

The second situation, which I believe to be more likely, is that Sooh is scum and trying to use that as an out, hence me addressing it in another post. The lovely thing about this is that when/if Sooh is lynched, we find out which is applicable, and no harm is done by entertaining both possibilities. You'll note in the post encouraging Sooh to post that I don't one provide an out or question whether they should swing, just what they should do first.

[Cass_]

Unvote

[Visor]

Cass vote cuth with me if you get elected thx

[Jabbz]

Really? Because I just caught up with them myself and got the sneaking suspicion I'm being ridiculous about Jabbz. At least one of the points I thought I was making actually sucked.

If you mean they look like I'm town, well yeah.

I also agree with the latter. I feel those posts are coming after me with a preconceived notion of where I'm coming from, IE the perception I'm being condescending, but I didn't feel they were scummy.

[Visor]

Vote: Cuthillius

Just in case

[Schema]

Sorry -- D1 was going to be bad for me because RL important stuff, my presence should improve after today. Trying to get caught up. Should be here in about an hour until EOD.

[Renata]

Sorry, post #661. Not sure why I thought that my response was contiguous, but it's more likely related to the fact that it was almost midnight, and I usually am not up that late.

Thanks. Glad I can set that aside.

[Monstrdude]

TEEE EMMM IIII

You're talking to her like she's an about to be mislynched villager.

LOL @ Monstrbro for calling this villagey.

THERE WERE OTHER POSTS TOO

you little weasel

[Monstrdude]

You turkey sandwich you

[Renata]

No, this is in reference to conflating him with Dp101 early in the game. This is well documented in multiple other posts.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm being a dope. Ignore me.