Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

I feel that the best way to solve this is to divide into 5 districts, elect someone as chancellor who everyone trusts, and then arrange for the lynch vote to be tied. That way, mafia has minimal input on the lynch.

How many hardclears (or essentially close enough) are there? You, Cass, Renata, maybe atheotes according to Monty (or someone else)? Am I missing anyone?

I agree with the principle of your strategy but maybe chop it down to four for the time being.

[Montmorency]

I feel that the best way to solve this is to divide into 5 districts, elect someone as chancellor who everyone trusts, and then arrange for the lynch vote to be tied. That way, mafia has minimal input on the lynch.

Cass is already Chancellor. I'd be interested to know if she can redistrict now that day has begun. For Mafia to have minimal input, elect DP/Renata for D1, and Cass for D3. D2 can never beat that whether town or scum.

[Visor]

Monty, if both Renata and dp are voting choxorn

A: does it matter
B: getting votes split

[Renata]

Watcher role is lame. Now it's all down to intuition, baby.

So show some ;)

[Schema]

Anyone can go read it for himself

He flips for no reason

His reads make no sense

He is scum reading you and then town reads you for??? Reasons

I said add. I know the above well enough. I do not know Cuth's play but I was unimpressed with his last-minute push on the Sooh vote. He asked me to move my vote off Renata voting Choxorn and onto him with the hope that he could end up representative and get Sooh lynched. Nothxatall. Onto a town read of mine? Yeah right.

[Montmorency]

Monty, if both Renata and dp are voting choxorn

A: does it matter
B: getting votes split

DP voted Chox way after you left and after Cuth started pushing for Renata.

[Schema]

I said add. I know the above well enough. I do not know Cuth's play but I was unimpressed with his last-minute push on the Sooh vote. He asked me to move my vote off Renata voting Choxorn and onto him with the hope that he could end up representative and get Sooh lynched. Nothxatall. Onto a town read of mine? Yeah right.

Not to mention she'd already claimed and the move made no sense.

[Winston Hughes]

I don't have a power, I lied to get elected.

I was quite certain that you were lying.

My opening post was a multilayered extravaganza, but the initial inspiration came from your ludicrous claim.

I supported you, and continue to believe that you are most likely town, because it's a bloody idiotic thing to do if you're actually scum, and is still most likely to end up with you getting lynched.

[Visor]

Watcher being a role in this game surprises me greatly, as it's not exactly a fun role but it makes.sense with the setup

Just wondering if it makes 5 wolves total likely cause I think it might which is annoying, given the voting mechanics can likely be pro wolf

[Visor]

I was quite certain that you were lying.

My opening post was a multilayered extravaganza, but the initial inspiration came from your ludicrous claim.

I supported you, and continue to believe that you are most likely town, because it's a bloody idiotic thing to do if you're actually scum, and is still most likely to end up with you getting lynched.

I was sure your opening post was letting me know you knew I was.lying

[Renata]

As the old saying goes, the only time cuth kills a wolf he's a wolf

Doesn't look Iike anything to me

I thought he was electing himself anyway, not Renata

He had something going on with he would be willing to vote me for rep, or some such; he may have bee the one who said I was better than an easily-pocketed Dp. I don't remember the details so won't comment on it further right now.

From Monty's wall of quotes I'd say that choxorn related spew throws a little shade on Cuth and on GH for the soft town leans, and probably a little more than than on Monstrobro for what seems like a particularly contorted slight-villa read on choxorn.

I will need to go back and verify for myself that Monty didn't leave anything out.

You must have learned something from reactions to your double-voter claim.

[Montmorency]

Visor, anything that catches your attention from my big-post at start of day?

[Renata]

Oh, also, Jabbz moves up a few more towny slots for choxorn choosing to do his "lecturing the towny" routine on his post.

[Visor]

Visor, anything that catches your attention from my big-post at start of day?

No, I didn't read it because it was going to be a big wall of text 'despite visor suspecting choxorn and having him as a top wolf, visor is still a wolf'

[Montmorency]

No, I didn't read it because it was going to be a big wall of text 'despite visor suspecting choxorn and having him as a top wolf, visor is still a wolf'

Not quite. Read it plz. You're going to be reading a lot of it anyway if you ever go back through pages 28-40 for reference.

'despite visor suspecting choxorn and having him as a top wolf, visor is still a wolf

Holy disingenuous.

[Visor]

I didn't get anything from the claim itself except for Winston being likely town

Maybe Monty wolfy

I just did it to get elected, not for reads, like I said, I figured I wouldn't get elected otherwise

[Renata]

Seriously, rule of three on choxorn's slight town reads? Me, Cuthillius, GH.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Seriously, rule of three on choxorn's slight town reads? Me, Cuthillius, GH.

Did choxorn make these reads when he was under suspicion, or before the fact?

If it was before the fact, the rule is more likely to hold due to there being less of a chance of him intentionally trying to subvert it.

[Montmorency]

Did choxorn make these reads when he was under suspicion, or before the fact?

If it was before the fact, the rule is more likely to hold due to there being less of a chance of him intentionally trying to subvert it.

Yes. Cuthilius-Schema very possible. But as I said earlier, death of one of Visor or Cuth confirms alignment of the other. Visor is good lynch candidate.

[Visor]

Yes. Cuthilius-Schema very possible. But as I said earlier, death of one of Visor or Cuth confirms alignment of the other. Visor is good lynch candidate.

In a world where we lynch either cuth or me, why on earth would you lynch me over him?

[Schema]

Yes. Cuthilius-Schema very possible. But as I said earlier, death of one of Visor or Cuth confirms alignment of the other. Visor is good lynch candidate.

Lolno.

Monty, you're neglecting my townie posts and cherry picking the posts I've made for reactions. I didn't agree with the Sooh lynch early, I definitely didn't agree with it later and called her a townread of mine based on how she responded tonally to the lynch. CUTH came back and hard pushed the Sooh lynch at the end of the day. Vote mechanics and Cuth's actions are all you need to see. You're stretching, though. I applaud you for your reach.

[Renata]

Did choxorn make these reads when he was under suspicion, or before the fact?

If it was before the fact, the rule is more likely to hold due to there being less of a chance of him intentionally trying to subvert it.

Before. My read on him came after that post.

Choxorn voted Cuthillius for representative. Cuthillius was talking about the possibility of electing me instead of Dp (though he did nothing to push it). I'm pretty sure this happened after I was already voting choxorn. Pretty bold moves if these two are w/w, though I can hardly rule it out.

Cuthillius looked superficially townier to me towards end of day, but that was shallow; I need an iso.

You haven't really done anything to reassure me you are town.

[Jabbz]

Well, going into day 2 Dp is about as town cleared as you can get short of being killed and showing blue. No worries here voting for him again. Vote: Dp101. I'm a little curious where Schema got the idea that people couldn't be reelected. It seems kind of fishy for him to be trying to get power from an all but 100% clear towny, and that excuse seems weak, but I'll be willing to give em the benefit of the doubt.

'not use my power'

I don't have a power, I lied to get elected.

I just did it to get elected, not for reads, like I said, I figured I wouldn't get elected otherwise

So now that we know you've lied about that in an attempt to get access to the limited voting power, why should any of us trust you now?

[Montmorency]

why on earth would you lynch me over him?

[Renata]

Yes. Cuthilius-Schema very possible. But as I said earlier, death of one of Visor or Cuth confirms alignment of the other. Visor is good lynch candidate.

Since when?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Before. My read on him came after that post.

Choxorn voted Cuthillius for representative. Cuthillius was talking about the possibility of electing me instead of Dp (though he did nothing to push it). I'm pretty sure this happened after I was already voting choxorn. Pretty bold moves if these two are w/w, though I can hardly rule it out.

Cuthillius looked superficially townier to me towards end of day, but that was shallow; I need an iso.

You haven't really done anything to reassure me you are town.

Right now I'm just looking for information since the alternative is going back and reading, so thanks for that.

[Visor]

Well, going into day 2 Dp is about as town cleared as you can get short of being killed and showing blue. No worries here voting for him again. Vote: Dp101. I'm a little curious where Schema got the idea that people couldn't be reelected. It seems kind of fishy for him to be trying to get power from an all but 100% clear towny, and that excuse seems weak, but I'll be willing to give em the benefit of the doubt.






So now that we know you've lied about that in an attempt to get access to the limited voting power, why should any of us trust you now?

Here is the question: does the stunt I pulled make me more likely to be mafia?

[Montmorency]

Here is the question: does the stunt I pulled make me more likely to be mafia?

I would venture yes.

Since when?

Visor scum, Cuth town. Vice versa. The evidence I have in mind should not be obscure.

[Visor]

Why, Monty

[Renata]

I would venture yes.



Visor scum, Cuth town. Vice versa. The evidence I have in mind should not be obscure.

Explain it to me like I'm dull, because sometimes I am. Why is Visor scum if hes' going after villager Cuth? Why is Visor automatically right about Cuth if Visor is town?