Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Zack]

i literally can't say or do anything without it being misconstrued as somehow being wolfy

this is why i am always mislynched on this site and i'm sick of it

[Dp101]

what are you talking about

This. This is what I am talking about. Every time you are accused all I see is a reaction like this that does not address any points made and only tries to shut down conversation.

[Zack]

guess i should've just posted five times each phase and do nothing of consequence

that would make games so much more pleasant for everyone

i'm sure this will be latched on by some hero who says clearly this is just blatant manipulation on my part or some other such nonsense

but i've just been ignored and shat on this entire game and it's really frustrating

[Zack]

This. This is what I am talking about. Every time you are accused all I see is a reaction like this that does not address any points made and only tries to shut down conversation.

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HOW IS THAT SHUTTTING DOWN CONVERSATION IT IS LITERALLY FUCKING ASKING YOU TO EXPOUND ON WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE GOING ON ABOUT

^^^^ this is what I am motherfucking talking about

jesus christ i hate this game

[Dp101]

ok sorry I will back off did not mean to make you angry unvote

[Zack]

don't unvote me out of pity

i don't want your pity

i want you to make a case that isn't bullshit

all you've done this phase is whine and complain about everything i've done

"i wish i could kill zack so he would stop talking so much"

"i wish zack would die so blah"

[Zack]

Voting the next person to say lol, it does not help in catching scum.

Based off of this exchange I want to vote Zack, Visor and Cuth all at once, because I feel that at least half of their posts have been more about calling the other guy names rather than solving.

Spam

People complaining about spam

Zack stop spamming or I will vote you.

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[Riedquat]

Was saying when forum ate my post...

This is awful weird... if zack isn't town I'll eat everybody's hats!

I do not see how you can vote he and not me for example...

[Dp101]

Look, it isn't pity, I just don't want to make anyone angry with my posts. I admit that I have posted mostly garbage today and I am sorry, I will try to find something more productive to do.

[Zack]

whatever

[Zack]

don't unvote me because you feel bad, then that just makes me feel bad

[Dp101]

don't unvote me because you feel bad, then that just makes me feel bad

Nah, you are right, I do need to find another better case. Be back in a bit.

[Cuthillius]

When did it change, I want you to tell me what changed and I want you to use MY posts. Explain how it changed.

Don't use vague terms like I felt this or whatever.

Show me explicitly.

nope

but like i said was during convo yesterday

[Cuthillius]

well are you going to say it

i'm town

[Zack]

i'm town

I appreciate the humor of the situation, I suppose

[Cuthillius]

I appreciate the humor of the situation, I suppose

you asked

[Visor]

nope

but like i said was during convo yesterday

okay i no longer care what alignment you are

you're either a wolf or an honorary wolf

[Zack]

you asked

i meant more

i just endured a beatdown about how i've supposedly been trying to shutdown conversation and demoralize everyone

when i had just finished prodding you about something i wanted to hear you talk about which turned out to just be a simple joke i overlooked

[Cuthillius]

i meant more

i just endured a beatdown about how i've supposedly been trying to shutdown conversation and demoralize everyone

when i had just finished prodding you about something i wanted to hear you talk about which turned out to just be a simple joke i overlooked

and fwiw

i think you're fairly town

and if you're not you still shouldn't be worried about now

and yeah

that's my thoughts on the rest of it

i don't think my being town makes you look particularly bad from interactions but meh

[Cuthillius]

okay i no longer care what alignment you are

you're either a wolf or an honorary wolf

okay

[Visor]

@Schema

Vote: Schema

Hi.

[Zack]

and fwiw

i think you're fairly town

and if you're not you still shouldn't be worried about now

and yeah

that's my thoughts on the rest of it

i don't think my being town makes you look particularly bad from interactions but meh

appreciate the pep talk but still think you're a wolf, to be clear

[Montmorency]

A bit of movement. Differences from first tally formatted with underline and italics.

Tally # B2
	Blue	Green	Red
DISTRICT ONE	Rep	Chancellor	Lynch
Schema	Dp101
Cuthillius	Dp101		General Hankerchief
Renata	Dp101		Montmorency
Dp101	Dp101		Unvote Zack
Jabbz	Dp101
dicetosser1			El Barto
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes	Winston Hughes		Unvote El Barto
BSmith	Winston Hughes		Cuthilius
Visor	Winston Hughes		Schema
Csargo	Winston Hughes
Riedquat	Winston Hughes
El Barto	Visor
Monstrbro	Monstrbro		General Hankerchief
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency	Cass		Cuthilius
Al Sipsclar	Cass
Cass_
GeneralHankerchief	Cass		Cuthilius
Zack			Cuthilius
atheotes

DP, Winston, and Cass look set to be elected Reps. They have not yet voted for the lynch!

Vote: Cuthilius because he is so valuable a piece of the puzzle, though GH is more suspect. Zack should not be lynched, though he and Winston are now wrestling in the murk. Whichever eats the other is probably demon scum.

[Cass_]

Hey all, catching up

Pointless post to try clear stacked up multiquotes. It's not letting me quote new things?

[Winston Hughes]

Hey Cass.

What do you think about Zack?

Can you see this townie intent that he thinks should be obvious but I'm damned if I can find?

[Cass_]

@Winston Hughes,

I could answer that question a whole lot clearer if a) I could quote it and b) if I'd read Zack's ISO.

My GTH read at the moment is.... russian roulette?

Early game, nope, couldn't see the Towny intent, felt like hedging and just stirring from the sidelines/not thinking critically/trying to solve.

Somewhat mitigated by the splash through his ISO in Star Fox where tone/attitude is similar. Plus the fact there have been a few relaxed posts that may be ok?

I have concerns that he was a bit like this in Rappers, especially with the Visor-Cuth VV Showdown that went down there, with him carefully leading it on UTR from the side.

Currently these concerns are followed by maybe it's just difference in playstyles between him and I /maybe just me/paranoia - I know I tend to give too much attention to too many emergent reads based on possibilities being triggered by stuff that other players tend to find insignificant.
(Like early this game it was him being not suspicious of being voted for Chancellor before he'd even posted. If I'd been in his position it would have really ruffled me/I would have felt set up). Focusing on this sort of stuff sometimes works for me, but it can also lead to a lot of wtf tunnels so I'm hesitant to push before I'm caught up. Which I'm not, so grain of salt and all that.

Being quite honest, the size of Zack's ISO (which I would have to read carefully as a whole to feel more confident in an actual alignmentdecision either way) scares me.

TLDR Not really, but I'm not read up on him. I'm working on limited time but if you pull out the stuff you're thinking/analysing I can give thoughts on it while I catch up?

Have you found/do you have other concerns besides perceiving a lack of Towny intent?

[Cass_]

Also, on that, I find it interesting that Zack and Atheotes haven't voted for a rep in our District?

Part of me considers letting someone else take the leadership for this vote, but lolParanoia that that might be scum's plan depending on where I vote to lynch?

Zack and Atheotes what are you thinking/ what do you want to do?

[Winston Hughes]

As promised, I've looked at Zack's case for the defence around choxorn's death, but I still don't get it.

I mean, I can see that he's not sticking his neck out to try and save chox, but nor is anyone else, not least because the chox lynch came up on the outside, emerging from the pack late and defying the fact that both the chancellor nor the claimed double-voter were voting elsewhere.

This is the only really relevant post I can find from Zack:

it bothers me a little that renata isn't really considering herself for any position when i'd think she would be a pretty good candidate

On the most charitable interpretation, I guess this could be taken as very slightly supportive of the chox lynch, albeit indirectly, by suggesting Renata put herself forward for the rep position. It's worth noting, however, than Dp101 was clearly in line for the rep position at that point, and he was already following Renata on chox.

The least charitable interpretation would be that it's throwing a hint of shade at Renata, intended to make the author of the case on chox look a little less trustworthy.

[Cass_]

Yey New Quotes!

I was a little suspicious of Renata. But once i saw her response to Choxorn's post, it was a mindmeld which made me change my read on her. So yes, i thought Choxorn was wolfy.
barto was still my first choice though. And i did not want you to go for a 4th candidate (outside of Chox, Cuth & Barto)

Last thing you said was to choose between Chox and Cuth? No mention of Barto as a part of that choice at the time. Hence why the vote on Barto over Chox stands out.

Cass, please choose between Choxorn and Cuth

Can't give you ISOs, but here are the games:

Town
Town
Scum (subbed in D2)
Scum

Fair warning: I only posted about ten times in each of those scum games.

(Just be grateful I decided that the game where I posted only in quotes from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas didn't really count.)

Thanks
Thanks

red dwarf would be a better example

Thanks

Noting you comment here despite originally saying my whole request was stupid. Can't figure out where your head is aaat

[Visor]

So whats this going to be

Cuth/Barto/GH?

Cuth/x/GH

Cuth/Schema/GH

Cuth/BSmith or inactive/GH