Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Riedquat]

I found nothing distinctly townie in that long post of his.

Perhaps because you were active and paying attention at what happened late on day 1, I wasn't and was wondering how exactly choxorn got lynched, so for the lazy townie on me that was a good townie post!

[Zack]

@Zack what do you think of Montmorency right now?

Do you still think El Barto is scummy?

I don't really know what to think of Monty, though I want to say slight town lean for raisins but I've been burned on that before.

Yes, though I don't really get your particular point on him or why it would 180 your view. He's scum because he doesn't give a shit about the game or what's happening in it.

[Riedquat]

Which reminds me, the reason I found him scummy day 2 was because of what he chose to leave out of that post.

And what was that? Care to elaborate?

[Zack]

I WISH FOR A DAYVIG

[dicetosser1]

What is your take on Cuth & El Barto?

therees some cuth stuff below

barto I could happily lynch. I didn't like the scum claim I dont hinks he was hunting and I don't like some of his posts at monstr.

Vote: Visor

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How's that, then? I demand an explanation. Frivolous sussing is out of vogue atp.

you already quoted it. I think youre trying to set it up so u get power at what u feel is the opportune time.

The closest to Bart last game here is dicetosser.

Bart is dissimilar from last game in activity and intensity (so far), but the difference in content (i.e. single-issue voting, commenting to distraction) may be more driven by his specific strategy vis-a-vis Pizza-partner, so that may come out null. More or less as I said before, nothing towny but not really scummy atp.

Scenarios for that could be one scum partner under heavy criticism or engagement, with the rest UTR. It begs more data, surely.

so straight up you calling me scum? for tthese reasons above or others?

i told you i would

no complaining :P

ok so here cuth had been doing pointless isos which looked like busy work.

But then he dropped the above quote. THAT sounds EXACTLY like me when im defending myself after answering the chick who was dumb enuff to ask me if her butt looks big in those pants. Flat. Factual. Absolutely unapologetic.

I know everyone seems to want to lynch cuth but I think I just came down on the town side of him.

We must interpret Cuth's latest as running interference in face of impending lynch.

We MUST must we?? Why? particularly if hed told you he was going to do it.


I read this and my immeadiate thought is that monty REALLY doesn't want this lynch to miss. I read it as a scum pushing a mislynch they really want

mm

not seeing it

i can make guesses but meh

he already answered but I was gonna say internal monologue lol. Thing is monstr doesn't HAVE an INTERNAL monologue. Its always out in the thread.

[Zack]

Paranoia says that Visor and Zack pushing Cuth D2 was suspiciously coordinated

That's what they said about Ghosting.

[Montmorency]

Monty

Chill I'm not trying to misrepresent anything here

Reread what I said

"I had him as a villager but I kind of wish he flipped"

I am well aware of exactly what I've said on this thread dood

I wasn't addressing you, but it's nice to vaguely answer a point that I wasn't making.

And by the way, I couldn't care less about your opinion of my opinion of the thread

K thx

What?

But cass said she wanted one of us to be reps so if you were paying attention Monty you'd notice that

But it seems like you're just trying to shade me

Yeah. The shade applies. Elect Renata bro.

Seems like Winston was a pr and Monty was a wolf

1 for 2 ain't bad

lol what?

Why did you come here just to collapse Monstr? You were doing so well. Drop to null at best. If Cuth is town Monstr-Bart is on the table.

no it isn 't, because my natural tendency would to say that all of the >200 posters are town

That has nothing to do with my point or your quoted posts.

I read it as a scum pushing a mislynch they really want

Seriously? Of all the people in the thread I'm the one with the highest stake in Cuth's lynch?

@dicetosser1, I was not calling you scum. And your reasoning was nonexistent. Opportune time for me to be in power is anytime, but I'm willing to let others have their turn.

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In addition to the fact that people rarely trust me with power until I'm one of the last left eligible or private comm is allowed.

[Zack]

Since no one answered me, this is how much time is left.

[Zack]

Multi-quote walls are my least favorite kinds of posts ever, and it's not even close. Pain to read or respond to.

[dicetosser1]

@dicetosser1, I was not calling you scum. And your reasoning was nonexistent. Opportune time for me to be in power is anytime, but I'm willing to let others have their turn.

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In addition to the fact that people rarely trust me with power until I'm one of the last left eligible or private comm is allowed.

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the red was a question in relation to that post you made mention and comparing me to someone else. I don't know that person so am not saure why im in that post or the meaning of putting me there

[Cuthillius]

monty, that post is trash

sorry to use such strong of language

but seriously

you feign ignorance at what monstr is saying

and then just state "it's a pity you're doing so badly, those posts you just made are terrible but i'm not going to engage, tell you why, or even call you scum"

which is the ultimate douche defense in mafia

like literally that accomplishes nothing as town except pissing literally everyone off at you

also you say "well yes i am throwing shade what about it"

and then you address me

i recommend you reread the original post

because that has exactly everything to do with it

finally you turn to dice

and you take his accusation of you and just treat it like there's nothing behind it, and then misunderstand what he was saying (you are doing x does not equal you are the person who is most doing x)

instead of telling dice why his reasoning was bad iyo you just say it was and start complaining about how you're not in power/being condescending and showing that you're the better person and not trying to power grab

i mean even if you're town that post is ---------ev

please, if you want to try and get town to win and play the game in a profitable fashion

i suggest meeting people on their own terms and treating their ideas and thoughts as worth a similar amount of while as your own

[Zack]

Cuth town-reading the entire thread except for two people seems problematic.

I know as a wolf I find it really easy to make town reads, because I know which people are town, and I will notice the things they do that are indicators which point towards them being town (while not noticing the stuff that might make them look bad as much) in a way that I don't as a villager because I'm always suspicious of everyone, even if I have a strong town read on them. I also try to avoid giving out too many wolf reads for fear of either spewing someone clear or drawing attention to a partner and having to deal with the consequences of that.

I find it really unusual for a villager to be townreading the entire game at this point. This also kinda applies to monstr, but his tone has been good enough that it doesn't really bother me that much.

[Cuthillius]

oh and i don't mind if you just decide not to answer someone's posts

no issues with that

but implying that they're of such little value that someone like YOU would never bother

that's something else

[Cuthillius]

Cuth town-reading the entire thread except for two people seems problematic.

I know as a wolf I find it really easy to make town reads, because I know which people are town, and I will notice the things they do that are indicators which point towards them being town (while not noticing the stuff that might make them look bad as much) in a way that I don't as a villager because I'm always suspicious of everyone, even if I have a strong town read on them. I also try to avoid giving out too many wolf reads for fear of either spewing someone clear or drawing attention to a partner and having to deal with the consequences of that.

I find it really unusual for a villager to be townreading the entire game at this point. This also kinda applies to monstr, but his tone has been good enough that it doesn't really bother me that much.

it was only two people on the list that i immediately corrected, yes?

[Zack]

i'm not going to engage, tell you why, or even call you scum"

wow who would EVER do that

i can't think of ANYONE

[Montmorency]

@dicetosser1, I was not calling you scum. And your reasoning was nonexistent. Opportune time for me to be in power is anytime, but I'm willing to let others have their turn.

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In addition to the fact that people rarely trust me with power until I'm one of the last left eligible or private comm is allowed.

the red was a question in relation to that post you made mention and comparing me to someone else. I don't know that person so am not saure why im in that post or the meaning of putting me there[/QUOTE]

I was asked about Barto. You were only incidental. I was using you as comparison to some of Barto's other play.

monty, that post is trash

sorry to use such strong of language

but seriously

you feign ignorance at what monstr is saying

and then just state "it's a pity you're doing so badly, those posts you just made are terrible but i'm not going to engage, tell you why, or even call you scum"

which is the ultimate douche defense in mafia

like literally that accomplishes nothing as town except pissing literally everyone off at you

also you say "well yes i am throwing shade what about it"

and then you address me

i recommend you reread the original post

because that has exactly everything to do with it

finally you turn to dice

and you take his accusation of you and just treat it like there's nothing behind it, and then misunderstand what he was saying (you are doing x does not equal you are the person who is most doing x)

instead of telling dice why his reasoning was bad iyo you just say it was and start complaining about how you're not in power/being condescending and showing that you're the better person and not trying to power grab

i mean even if you're town that post is ---------ev

please, if you want to try and get town to win and play the game in a profitable fashion

i suggest meeting people on their own terms and treating their ideas and thoughts as worth a similar amount of while as your own

That's enough. I disagree with all of this.

[Zack]

it was only two people on the list that i immediately corrected, yes?

ok, three people

[Cuthillius]

feel free to disagree with it monty

but i would still like to ask that you give more of an effort to cooperating with the other players in their game and making sure that you're making assertions that are grounded in fact

that's all

[Cuthillius]

ok, three people

mmm

[Montmorency]

feel free to disagree with it monty

but i would still like to ask that you give more of an effort to cooperating with the other players in their game and making sure that you're making assertions that are grounded in fact

that's all

I have. In an effort to avoid using bad language, I will just call you wrong and hypocritical.

[Cuthillius]

I have. In an effort to avoid using bad language, I will just call you wrong and hypocritical.

okay

then i'd like to ask you to try a little harder, if it's not too much of a bother

i think it would help

[Zack]

okay

then i'd like to ask you to try a little harder, if it's not too much of a bother

i think it would help

Your above long post suggests you think he is suspicious but you are talking to him like he is a villager who needs to shape up?

[Cuthillius]

no it isn 't, because my natural tendency would to say that all of the >200 posters are town

i just realized

you may have misunderstood the point of this statement

i was not saying that i find >200 posters to, generally speaking, all be town

but rather that in this game i would incline towards GTH calling them all town

sorry if that wasn't clear

[Montmorency]

i just realized

you may have misunderstood the point of this statement

i was not saying that i find >200 posters to, generally speaking, all be town

but rather that in this game i would incline towards GTH calling them all town

sorry if that wasn't clear

To close with this particular strand:

1. I am one of your top lynches.
2. Riedquat is barely above random for scum lean.
3. Riedquat is scummier/better lynch than Monty.

3 was conveyed by your placing Riedquat lower than me in your modified list, and 3 is inconsistent with 1 and 2.

[Cuthillius]

Your above long post suggests you think he is suspicious but you are talking to him like he is a villager who needs to shape up?

i find it helps, at least as far as amiability, and solving the game from a certain pov, to talk to people as if they were town

assume the best of them

since i am not actively scumreading monty and because most of my problems with the post were not necessarily that is was that scummy

it was, however, scum-sided for other reasons imo

but feel free to interpret it however the hell you want

[Montmorency]

since i am not actively scumreading monty

When you say things like this...

-monty if i had to pick a scum out of the >200 posters, he would be it

it's hard to take seriously.

[El Barto]

+1 It's like a pizza minion!

And he thinks that making 200 posts makes one certain town, so maybe I should just make 200 posts.

Obviously that was the idea!

What idea?

Not true! You go around voting and accusing anyone in range, the only thing similar to you could be my lack of commitment, a bit intended and a bit of pure laziness on my part! ;)

I only vote and/or accuse those who vote for me.

When does day end?

At EoD.

I WISH FOR A DAYVIG

You're not the GM this time, stop posting in purple.

[Cuthillius]

To close with this particular strand:

1. I am one of your top lynches.
2. Riedquat is barely above random for scum lean.
3. Riedquat is scummier/better lynch than Monty.

3 was conveyed by your placing Riedquat lower than me in your modified list, and 3 is inconsistent with 1 and 2.

1. I would not consider #4 in my readlist top lynches, nor would i ever consider a mild town lean a "top lynch" under any circumstance when referring to my reads
2. True
3. True
4. Are you attempting to argue that I read you as a higher scum than I said in the list? Because what I saw as your evidence for that point of view was the post in which i said that if i HAD to pick a scum from the >200 posters i would pick you

Could you restate that part of the case again, please?

[Zack]

i find it helps, at least as far as amiability, and solving the game from a certain pov, to talk to people as if they were town

assume the best of them

since i am not actively scumreading monty and because most of my problems with the post were not necessarily that is was that scummy

it was, however, scum-sided for other reasons imo

but feel free to interpret it however the hell you want

Must be a new strategy because I've seen you talk to people as if they were scum plenty of times.

Why do you find it scum-sided but not scummy?

[Zack]

And he thinks that making 200 posts makes one certain town, so maybe I should just make 200 posts.

What idea?

I only vote and/or accuse those who vote for me.

At EoD.

You're not the GM this time, stop posting in purple.

another post that is pointless and contains zero amount of solving