Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Monstrdude]

zack

and anyone who's played with me much before

you know that my actions this day phase are ~lock clearing

i want you to remember that

and commit it to your consciences

and then try to win the game tomorrow

I've got your back bros kill

I've never played with you before though

If you're owning me then I suck and i'll prolly retire so pls be a villager

[Monstrdude]

....broski great now my friendly term about being bros turned into bro betrayal

[Zack]

zack

and anyone who's played with me much before

you know that my actions this day phase are ~lock clearing

i want you to remember that

and commit it to your consciences

and then try to win the game tomorrow

How would i know that what

You are not incapable of doing stuff as a wolf

[Zack]

Zack what do you think about all Sipsclar

And I swear on my unborn child if you say iso me I'm gonna smack you telepathically

Meh null

Haven't really paid attention to him

[Renata]

Rest of Al Sips' iso. He looks fine to me. There's not much to go on admittedly, but no alarm bells ringing.

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yep, idk what half of your posts mean, that's my point. So I usually think that if I can't figure out what Zack means, he must be town.

Mind you, these are mostly gut feelings and tonal reads, not hard cases. I'm very pliable.
The bottom group is scum leans. BSmith, Csargo, and Riedquat are null.
Monty is leaning scum for his Visor tunnel and seemingly obstructionist stance on D1.
Schema is just a feeling I got from the cursory read, so I need to iso her.
Jabbz - from choxorn interaction.

x-post with Renata talking about the same thing wrt Jabbz and choxorn.

Schema looks okay on re-read. I'm moving her to my Zack/Monstr/WH group.

Backed off from Renata
Monstr interaction seems good
Visor interaction is ok, love the fluorine reference.
Noted Monty's Visor engagement
Cleared Sooh, Renata, Monstr
Scum leans on Visor for her reaction testing and Cuth push
Mentioned choxorn in passing.
Null on atheotes
votes GH

Vote: Monty

Vote: Visor
Vote: El Barto

Likely, not going to be around EOD.

Not lynching:
Cass_
Renata
atheotes
Winston Hughes
Visor

No idea:
Jabbz
dicetosser1
Fenn
Schema
Riedquat
Monstrbro

Ok to lynch:
Cuthillius
BSmith
Zack
Montmorency
El Barto

[Zack]

My conscious lol

Need stronger ate than that boyo

[Zack]

Rest of Al Sips' iso. He looks fine to me. There's not much to go on admittedly, but no alarm bells ringing.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

He has me as town and tells about it a few times then moves me to am with no explanation? And monstr moved from town to "no idea" because ??

[Monstrdude]

I think we either have to put up Barto from our district or be so certain that we have a wolf we can get them lynched over anyone else, Renata

The problem is the wolves are doing a great job of blending in, to the point where I continuously think that at least 2 of them if not 3 are hiding in the clearer players

If cuth is a wolf I think the game might be a lot easier than I think

[Monstrdude]

He has me as town and tells about it a few times then moves me to am with no explanation? And monstr moved from town to "no idea" because ??

Yar I saw it too

[Monstrdude]

From my perspective it looked like he moved me from town to no idea because a bunch of villagers started doing it and he thought he could get away with it

[Renata]

He has me as town and tells about it a few times then moves me to am with no explanation? And monstr moved from town to "no idea" because ??

Oh, I missed the Zack movement. You're right about that. I'm not worried about the monstr thing because I believe that's more an issue of labelling of categories -- monstr was in the lowest town group previously just above the nulls.

[Monstrdude]

Oh, I missed the Zack movement. You're right about that. I'm not worried about the monstr thing because I believe that's more an issue of labelling of categories -- monstr was in the lowest town group previously just above the nulls.

Idk still

Electing to not have a read on me at this point is either lazy or wolfy, and often both

[Renata]

I think we either have to put up Barto from our district or be so certain that we have a wolf we can get them lynched over anyone else, Renata

The problem is the wolves are doing a great job of blending in, to the point where I continuously think that at least 2 of them if not 3 are hiding in the clearer players

If cuth is a wolf I think the game might be a lot easier than I think

So then should our district vote Cuth just to find out? Can you do that to someone you're reading as town? What's the path forward if he's lynched and is town? What if he's not lynched?

[Monstrdude]

So then should our district vote Cuth just to find out? Can you do that to someone you're reading as town? What's the path forward if he's lynched and is town? What if he's not lynched?

If he's lynched and town I'm probably going to have to overhaul the entire thread and teach you all a lesson in listening to me

But if he's a wolf I give permission to lol heartily until the end of time because at this point I deserve it

I guess district voting cuth is okay, I am willing to give him that power I just worry about what happened d1 with him and Sooh still

You know that pr claims are true like 80% of the time, right cuth?

[Monstrdude]

If he's not lynched I'm gonna keep canvassing my reads and bouncing ideas off my villagers like I have been in an effort to connect us in a group the wolves cannot tear apart no matter how hard they try, because that is the village's best play, and it also helps me form my opinions even more, because just thinking about your suspicions isn't enough to take a player out of the null category. You need multiple perspectives

[Renata]

vote: El Barto

[Cass_]

Yeah, I'll be here. Kiddo decided another day with cousins at grammy's is best.

Re: Zack -- it's hard for me to go after someone like him whole-heartedly with such low-hanging fruit still on the vine, but I could see him as scum, you know?

I don't have a vote yet; what's yours?

So we have two votes for Cuth right now, from atheotes and schema. It would take Visor, Jabbz and either me or Cass to all vote for someone else to override that. @Visor, @Jabbz @Cass_ what are your feelings here? I don't see me voting for dicetosser (Visor's current vote).

I have the feeling Visor's going right back to Cuth in the end so this may be a moot point.

So who should Cass or I be voting for? I'm ambivalent on Cuth. Could absolutely lynch el barto. After that it's a crapshoot.

The prob with Cuth here is it'll be hard to overthrow a lynch on him.

Barto is still scum lean/WTL for me over Cuth. I go back and forth on my read of Cuth's actual alignment aorn can't tell if he's Town or lolcatting scum, Visor interactions with him are ?

After that Csargo/Fenn / Other low posters. Tinfoil is everywhere.

What were Jabbz' last leans?

[Renata]

Latest is he says he's working it out and it'll be up shortly, in a post where he said he read neither Winston nor Zack as wolves. 50 min to go, so ... He does not have a vote down right now.

[Zack]

town and lolcatting scum seem like pretty different extremes

[atheotes]

Funny post. :)

I don't know, I feel sort of lost in this game right now.

you and me buddy. i think i said it in the thread yesterday.
I am attributing it to having consensus (sort of) lynches waiting to happen.

[Monstrdude]

you and me buddy. i think i said it in the thread yesterday.
I am attributing it to having consensus (sort of) lynches waiting to happen.

Yeah it's going around

[Jabbz]

First part of my reads from Iso. Started with Schema because there is something about her posts I just dislike, and after Iso it comes across as more scummy to me than not. Then went with the smaller posters, though I think that was a waste. Shifting to Barto and Cuth here due to time constraints and the fact that they are really the ones on the block.

Schema
Most posts are asking others for opinions rather than making own arguments
Voted for self over Dp101. Said ok with “cleared town” staying as rep, didn’t move vote until much later, even comments leaving vote on self “for now.” Comes across as looking for an excuse to “forget” or waiting for a reason to not vote in favor of Dp
Arguments start to get better, but only around post 2000

Too many of Schema's posts are about seeking someone else's opinion of an individual, but then never following up on it. I feel like she is trying to appear engaged without actually doing much work, while also trying to buddy up to individuals by making them feel their opinion is important. Yes I understand others are also asking different people for reads, but they are following up on them, and making their own arguments as well, something Schema seems light on. She really just doesn't seem to generate any substantial content, and it leaves us without somewhere to look to say wolf or town.

I also really disliked the interaction on voting herself for the rep position over Dp. I didn't find the excuse that she didn't realize someone could be reelected believable for one. Then after she is called on it, she keeps her vote on herself. It felt like she was looking for an excuse to "forget" to move it or was looking for a reason later to justify not voting for Dp.

Not worth a lynch at this time, especially with others on the list, but worth keeping an eye on.

Csargo
Too little to go off of. I understand the concerns about volume, this is much higher than I expected. Basically not contributing anything. Then becomes Fenn. Still not a lot of content. I kind of don’t like this post for a couple of reasons.

If I was playing D1 I would have pushed Sooh too, at least until the PR claim (and IIRC Schema backed off at that point).

First, it’s an easy push to garner some town cred in a way that requires no action at all. Saying you would have acted towny in a situation that has already been resolved seems off to me. Second, he isn’t just working it for himself however, but tries to clear someone I feel is pretty wolfish, so maybe that’s tainting my view of it. Lynching doesn’t appear to provide any useful information either way at this point, just not enough interaction, and Csargo posted so little it’s hard to find any combination of the two of them that screams either wolf or town.


Bsmith seems to be in a similar boat, though is maintaining more activity today. It’s a bit frustrating trying to read since there is virtually no content to work with.


Al Sipsclar
Seems a little better than the previous two. Providing better justifications for reads, at least one unique argument being introduced. I disagree with his take on Schema, but still too little content to really judge. A lynch here would be more telling than one of Csargo/Fenn or BSmith.

Riedquat
Same as above. Nothing to work with at this point. I hate lurkers.

Fake Edit: I thought I posted this a good 20 minutes ago, my bad.

[Cass_]

From my perspective it looked like he moved me from town to no idea because a bunch of villagers started doing it and he thought he could get away with it

He has me as town and tells about it a few times then moves me to am with no explanation? And monstr moved from town to "no idea" because ??

Also moves schema to the 'no idea' after having her Town

Flips Barto and Monty to vote Barto this phase

[atheotes]

So who should Cass or I be voting for? I'm ambivalent on Cuth. Could absolutely lynch el barto. After that it's a crapshoot.

is anyone having El Barto in their town list? (Maybe Cass )

Still prefer Cuth today.

[Jabbz]

Latest is he says he's working it out and it'll be up shortly, in a post where he said he read neither Winston nor Zack as wolves. 50 min to go, so ... He does not have a vote down right now.

Yeah sorry, I really thought I pushed post, must have pushed review one more time :/

[Jabbz]

El Barto.

Things I don’t like.
Argument with Mbro, specifically, “why do I even read your posts”
Policy lynch lines.
Weak justifications for Zack votes.

I have a real problem with this post.

I haven't paid him that much attention, having had to defend myself and with limited time.

As town, even if I’m under fire, my goal is still to make sure that I hunt scum. If I get mislynched but I’ve been hunting scum, I leave valuable information for town behind me. If all I’ve done is defend myself and I get mislynched, I leave nothing. I’m certainly not advocating against defending oneself, but doing so at the expense of scum hunting is either wolfish or poor play.

Overall his contributions are lacking much in the way of real arguments. I don’t recall many people actively defending him, but there are a goodly number of people going after him. If he pops town, which I doubt, he would give u a lot of information to parse regarding who pushed him. If he pops scum, which I think is more likely, we won’t get anything from who defended him, but we might get something out of those who pushed the null hypothesis, and we kill a scum, so win win.

Tentative vote on Vote: El Barto pending the finishing of my ISO on Cuth.

[Cass_]

My head is going in soooooooo many circles.

Vote: Renata

Vote: El Barto

Third time lucky?

[Jabbz]

By the by, if someone could tell me how to get more than just the last 100 posts in ISO of someone that would be helpful.

[Monstrdude]

My head is going in soooooooo many circles.

Vote: Renata

Vote: El Barto

Third time lucky?

Me too, I'm at a loss cause it's like

Here are my villagers

Gap

Sea of "????"

[dicetosser1]

I think Dicetosser is a wolf, thoughts?

that ure wrong and that ure upset cause im not clearing you.

Do you think Dice posts more as town over scum?

nope. people still think that meta applies but I have worked hard to get past it. Ive told youse multiple times post count means NOTHING.

I'm about 10 pages behind and unlikely to catch up before the end of day.

vote: atheotes

vote: cuth

We can take care of Barto next.

Or is there another consensus target that would benefit being removed from the game?

these two posts stink. Just lazy and unthinking.

*Gives chocolate for energy and answers*

? Bold seems contradictory

basically he meant if he agreed with my reads hed rep me. if not not.