Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Schema]

schema you have said stuff since popping in but I don't think you've given any reads?

Yeah, because I'm not caught up. I'm reading rn.

[Monstrdude]

All game = all day

I'm tired and just woke up after a strange night of sleep and I kinda wanna go back to bed

But I must trod onwards as the village needs me

[Schema]

Cause I felt like it

Mmkay then.

You voted me a while back I think. Why are you taking your vote off of me? Most here think I'm a good candidate. Explain yourself a little bit at least, because I've had you as town most of the game and I can't imagine this vote is coming from nowhere.

[Cass_]

@Zack

Cass
BSmith


Monstr/Dice/Jabbz/?Atheotes

Monty/Winston/Zack/Visor

Schema/Fenn


Could be anything/YOLO Town:
Sips / Riedquat.
Sips' game mimics last Town game of his I read in tone and volume and is contrast to scum game - that in itself is null, need to look closer at his lists wrt flips etc
Riedquat's list didn't look to bad, but IIRC there's nothing clearing so far.



Vote: Cass

Vote: Unvote


Gonna compare Schema/Fenn. Gut's been more bothered by Fenn.

[Visor]

Vote: Al Sipsclar

[Zack]

Yeah, because I'm not caught up. I'm reading rn.

Okay, but it worries me that you have posted that much without really advancing toward solving anything

[Zack]

Also hasn't been sitting with me all game, and the feeling of being stuck on one or two lynches is a brilliant catalyst for paranoid thinking

i'll sit with you monstr <3

[BSmith]

apologies. work swallowed me. Not sure I have much time for real posting but will pop in and out over the next 30 min or so.

[Monstrdude]

Mmkay then.

You voted me a while back I think. Why are you taking your vote off of me? Most here think I'm a good candidate. Explain yourself a little bit at least, because I've had you as town most of the game and I can't imagine this vote is coming from nowhere.

Because I like you and for .5 seconds I thought you could be town and that was enough

My alignment Sips reasoning hasn't changed since yesterday he did some weird things with his reads list

Overall I kind of feel like this PoE might be all villagers but that would have to mean that bad things are happening and we are not gonna have a fun next few days and I don't want to live in that world

[Monstrdude]

Alignment sips

[Montmorency]

@BSmith @Visor

As of now no one is getting elected Rep. One of you probably has to vote the other for Rep.

[Schema]

Okay, but it worries me that you have posted that much without really advancing toward solving anything

Only so much can be done in an hour. Here's what I've got:

I've ISO'd Fenn and Fenn feels forced but too low-impact to be a good idea to lynch today.

Looking at Visor's reaction to Cuth being town after flip reminds me a little of a reaction he had in another scum game, and that is not sitting well with me. The fact that he claims to have had such success in his early reads (about 50/50 rn?) while still being alive bugs me a bit.

You've got a nice focus on me... and only me... is anyone else here EOD that is worth looking into? Where are the votes going and are there any you don't trust?

[BSmith]

verywell. unvote; vote: Visor

[Zack]

Only so much can be done in an hour. Here's what I've got:

I've ISO'd Fenn and Fenn feels forced but too low-impact to be a good idea to lynch today.

Looking at Visor's reaction to Cuth being town after flip reminds me a little of a reaction he had in another scum game, and that is not sitting well with me. The fact that he claims to have had such success in his early reads (about 50/50 rn?) while still being alive bugs me a bit.

You've got a nice focus on me... and only me... is anyone else here EOD that is worth looking into? Where are the votes going and are there any you don't trust?

Can you be more specific with the Visor thing?

[Schema]

Monty/Winston/Zack/Visor
...
Gonna compare Schema/Fenn. Gut's been more bothered by Fenn.

The underlined is my really unhappy place.

The Monty/Winston/Visor trio in particular.

[Cass_]

Late, but the weird insistence on lynching Cuthillius regardless of whether he was the scummiest player, the many cryptic posts that I thought were deliberately unclear, and the whole 'Csargo slot is probably lolscum' bugged me. Generally his posts feel unhelpful to me, but he's said some things I find reasonable (Winston's recent behaviour is just bizarre imo) too, so I'm finding it hard to get a read on him. I get the impression he has this unique posting style as town or scum, but I've never played with him before.

Recent proliferation of votes on Schema I don't like, could be wolves in there. Going to try and skim over Renata before EoD.

Fenn is a villager i think

Like 80% sure maybe 85

I can understand the view on Monty, but Cuth/Barto Schema/Riedquat/Sips progression wierds me out


What about this post?

- Brushes off El B concern,
- Mentions Cuth's lynch looks suspicions, Cuth's recent posts look Towny,
- Doesn't reconsider/move off Cuth

Monstr, I must be pretty dumb because I don't see how that quoted El Barto post screams scum. I mean your posts do have a stream-of-consciousness quality to them (a towny sign imo). Would town Barto really word that post differently?

Anyway.

Paranoia says that Visor and Zack pushing Cuth D2 was suspiciously coordinated, buuut I did like eg Visor's interactions with Monty and Zack in general, and my only doubt on Cuth scum is that he's sounded almost too scummy to be scum, so I'm only going to think more about that if Cuth is lynched and flips town.

Current read list, roughly ordered:

definitely villagers:
Atheotes
Renata
Cass

probably villager:
Monstrbro
Visor
Zack

(Would preferentially vote any of the above as rep if they had been in my district)

villager lean:
Winston
Schema
Reidquat
Al Sipsclar

no idea:
Jabbz
BSmith
Montmorency (lot of posts, and I agree with him wrt districting and Cuth...but weird tone I don't like)

scum lean:
dicetosser
El Barto

probably scum:
Cuthillius (strangely find his last few posts villagery, but his earlier stuff still makes me think scum)

Vote: Cuthillius

and this was off the back of:

Oh and the districts are out. D1 doesn't look ideal which I guess is the point, but wouldn't it have been better to have spread out all the people who seem scummy?

Anyway, Vote: Schema for being the towniest + not a lurker. I like their progression on D1, generally get a towny vibe from their posts.

Sheeps Schema (who was voting Cuth) ^ but hasn't read/has incorrect ideas on her play (The Towny Schema pushed/voted was GH, not Sooh); Top lynch choice Cuth, El Barto can wait/is less suspicious if Cuth is a wolf.

If I was playing D1 I would have pushed Sooh too, at least until the PR claim (and IIRC Schema backed off at that point). APart from that I thought Schema did pretty well explaining her reasoning for her reads. And of course I'd like to be the rep, but I don't forsee getting elected. SOmebody has to vote for another person.

Top lynch choice right now is Cuthillius. El Barto maybe, but I think he can wait for later and he is less suspicious if Cuth is a wolf. I still haven't gotten around to doing the D2 reread like I was planning, need to ISO Riedquat and Schema too and compare them.

ISO's Riedquat, doesn't seem to care who leads out of Riedquat/Schema

ok well the riedquat ISO didn't take long at all. Not a fan of the self-effacing tone, but points for being clear and direct I guess. I could be persuaded to elect him. Riedquat who would you lynch if you had your way?

Tone here's not bad. Only gives opinion on Schema after being chased up. Sticks with vote on Cuth. Like's Al Sips on tone.

Went back and ISO'd her, still think she's villagery. Interactions with Renata sounded natural; good response to Cuth's Sooh-pushing shenanigans EoD1; voting self for rep D2 was a bit odd and still unexplained though. Hasn't posted since the 24th so it would be nice if she could return and give thoughts.

Related, early D2 Montmorency pushing for wolf/town in Visor/Cuth and lynching Visor first for no reasons given that I could find. Also didn't seem to be concerned about Renata's vote for him, and I don't think anybody else really went after him? Gut says possible scum trying to straddle the line between too towny too live and too scummy not to lynch.


Yes I have reservations about Cuthillius, it's possible he's town. I'm not going to pretend to be more certain than I actually am. Still think he's the scummiest player around.


Atheotes' posting has a town perspective to it in general. Add to that and he was pushing for Cuth or Chox to be lynched EoD1 which looks good for him in light of Chox's flip. Hasn't coasted on this either, he's still contributing and trying to solve.

Al Sips is just a feeling. I like his tone, and reasons for reads that he gave.

Vote: Fenn just in case.

[Cass_]

@Zack

Reasons for Schema over Fenn?

[Fenn]

Renata's recent reads in brief, in reverse order:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

#2825 Thinks Al Sips looks fine, town lean
#2796 Could see Zack as scum, but wants to focus on El Barto/Cuthillius/"low-hanging fruit" first
#2766 Disputes Jabbz's theory that scum framed Zack by killing Dp; speculates it could be sign of Zack/Jabbz scum pair if not for their D1 antagonism
#2764 Disagrees that dicetosser is scum.
#2578 (and surrounding posts) Disputes that Monty's D2 summary of chocorn was town-sided; found him scummy because of leaving some things out.

#2570:

Monstr, you keep reading Cuth as strong town. What are you thinking of how everyone's reacting to him? Most particularly those who have pushed the case the hardest? I don't see Visor or Zack on your mafia list, why not?

#2562:Is unsure about Monty's alignment, but thinks he's probably too chatty for scum. Wants to see him be right about somebody/something.
#2556:Quoted a big reads post by me where I pushed Cuthillius; responded with "He [Cuth]'s totally town, isn't he?"
#2477: Sees merit in Cuth's scumread of me.
#2470: Finds it weird how Cass/Zack/Monty are arguing for Barto=scum but not actually trying to get him lynched. (also see #2459)
(several posts in this area about how scummy Cuthillius is looking)
#2431 Dicetosser has more towny-ness in his posts than El Barto ever did.
#2429 Riedqaut sounds like town-self from last game, tentatively.
#2414 Quotes Schema posts that bothers her (about theory that wolves want to get a wolf rep elected in Dp's place)

#2413 Agrees Cuth needs to die D3, paranoid about Zack but wants to wait.

Stopping at page 80 for now.

[Schema]

I can understand the view on Monty, but Cuth/Barto Schema/Riedquat/Sips progression wierds me out

What about this post?

- Brushes off El B concern,
- Mentions Cuth's lynch looks suspicions, Cuth's recent posts look Towny,
- Doesn't reconsider/move off Cuth


and this was off the back of:


Sheeps Schema (who was voting Cuth) ^ but hasn't read/has incorrect ideas on her play (The Towny Schema pushed/voted was GH, not Sooh); Top lynch choice Cuth, El Barto can wait/is less suspicious if Cuth is a wolf.


ISO's Riedquat, doesn't seem to care who leads out of Riedquat/Schema


Tone here's not bad. Only gives opinion on Schema after being chased up. Sticks with vote on Cuth. Like's Al Sips on tone.


Vote: Fenn just in case.

Yeah, but this almost feels lolwolfy if it's wolfy. I mean it all revolves around me. Why focus on me? I don't get that. I see all this and think, someone's just jumped into the game midway and is grabbing for impressions.

The people thus far who have given me hard town reads have been town. I'm going to stick with being okay with those people today, and hope that Fenn isn't a wolf that slips through the cracks.

[Monstrdude]

Yeah Fenn is fine to die

[Montmorency]

Prior votes in parentheses.

Tally #D2 (Post #3260)
	Blue	Green	Red
DISTRICT ONE	Rep	Chancellor	Lynch
Cass	Cass		(Al Sipsclar (invalid), Unvote), Fenn
Jabbz	Cass		Schema
Zack	(Zack), Cass		Winston Hughes
Al Sipsclar	Cass		Zack
Schema
DISTRICT TWO
BSmith	(BSmith), Visor		Al Sips
Winston Hughes			Montmorency
Visor	Visor		(Dice, Monty, Schema, Schema), Al Sips
Riedquat
DISTRICT THREE
Monstbro	atheotes		(Schema), Al Sips
Atheotes	atheotes		Schema
Dicetosser1
Fenn	atheotes
Montmorency	Atheotes		Winston Hughes

District Prospects:

District 1: Cass Rep, ??? Lynch (Schema/Fenn/Zack/Winston candidates).
District 2: Visor Rep, Al Sips Lynch
District 3: Atheotes Rep, Schema Lynch

[Cass_]

Can you be more specific with the Visor thing?

This is of the top of my head, but Visor is bothering me aorn for

- OTT push on Cuth D1 - which essentially is what put Cuth on the table, and went well beyond any suspicion he threw at Monty over Monty's (wierd) sus at him;
- Vote progression (Cuth, Self, Dice);
- Backing off Cuth but not voting Barto when he'd said Barto was scummy/ok to lynch
- The push on Dice feeling opportunistic/ignorant of info provided/convenient wrt staying off lead Town/Scum wagons D2;
- Gut feeling on the way he's worded some things wrt me

[Zack]

@Zack

Reasons for Schema over Fenn?

I don't think I put her over?

[Schema]

Can you be more specific with the Visor thing?

Yes, glancing back through he had a reaction something like, "Well the Cuth flip was town, good thing my vote didn't land there." Kind of chuckling off his read. It reminded me of a game I spec'd where he pushed a townie all day as scum and got them lynched, then turned around next day start and said, "Wow, I'm shocked! Did not expect that."

Just a case of deja vu.

[Monstrdude]

Fenn/al sips/schema has to contain at least one wolf or we have a big problem in our democratic structure

[Cass_]

@Zack and Schema

If we don't consolidate our district doesn't get a vote and it goes to Sips/Schema

Agree on Fenn/Visor?

And gimme preferences for tie with Sips/Schema/Our District choice

[Schema]

Vote: Visor

[Zack]

@Zack and Schema

If we don't consolidate our district doesn't get a vote and it goes to Sips/Schema

Agree on Fenn/Visor?

And gimme preferences for tie with Sips/Schema/Our District choice

Fenn over visor

schema over sips. I expect schema will disagree with this.

[Schema]

@Zack and Schema

If we don't consolidate our district doesn't get a vote and it goes to Sips/Schema

Agree on Fenn/Visor?

And gimme preferences for tie with Sips/Schema/Our District choice

I don't know. I'd say Visor over Fenn but if Fenn is the best you can do after this game day then I'll trust your read, while also reading through your previous game day.

[Zack]

Yes, glancing back through he had a reaction something like, "Well the Cuth flip was town, good thing my vote didn't land there." Kind of chuckling off his read. It reminded me of a game I spec'd where he pushed a townie all day as scum and got them lynched, then turned around next day start and said, "Wow, I'm shocked! Did not expect that."

Just a case of deja vu.

Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I don't remember that comment being completely serious