French Presidential Election

[Viking]

That they come from the majority population of their country is not an argument.

They often don't come from places as diverse as Dagestan (that's why they are at all able to form a majority of the population). In many cases, granting independence to certain regions could solve a lot.

Fixing the diversity-related problems is easier said than done, you're currently opposing all my attempts to do so for example.

I am opposing your attempts to introduce diversity, not decrease it.

It relates to the topic at hand in the sense that the government has to take care of them as it does for any other citizen, so it has to find a solution for those nazis who want to beat them up, and not just watch them do that. And if that solution is to make the nazis care less about ethnic differences, the other immigration problems are closer to being fixed as well.

Many Western curriculums are full of unicorns, rainbows and tolerance already - what are you going to do? One of the countries that seems to have the most rainbows and unicorns is Sweden, and they're one of the worst off.

the other immigration problems are closer to being fixed as well

Not by much.

And it shows that your ideal of same-ethnicity nation states is rather hard to achieve nowadays.

With a stop in relevant immigration and with evidence-based assimilation drives, we might revert to pre-immigration states sooner than you think.

Crime = immigrants is the narrow perspective here...

Especially when it already happens with just a few immigrants moving into the neighborhood and before they actually commit any crimes.

Think more about living your entire life in a city like Malmö, only to see crime rates shoot up as you grow older.

Japan, which is apparently the only somewhat homogeneous country in the world.

And which 'artificially created divide' do we find in Japan that is some sort of equivalent to an ethnic divide?

Deporting all the people you want to deport is not something we are able to do either, so I can just give that right back to you.

As I stated earlier, my main focus is on halting immigration.

There may be a problem in Malmö, but I don't want to apply fixes to all of Europe just because Malmö has a problem.

Not just Malmö, many different places.

And why would that be so?

Common religious and lingual roots. The latter part might be more important than it first seems, as it may also include a recent (relatively speaking) common cultural origin.

As for murders in the US, a lot of the immigrating Europeans brought the mafia or gangs with them and they murdered a whole lot of people.

There's a lot of relevant crime in Europe that's in addition to terrorism (as discussed previously); and of course, the American mafia is another example of how immigration can go wrong.

To just say that you don't care and want them gone is the same approach that the NSDAP had towards jewish bankers. Obviously your "solution" is a lot less cruel, but the way you get there is pretty much the same, you ignore all historical context and just blame and punish people for the status quo.

In the same vague sense that the non-Western immigration to Europe has the potential to become comparable to the marginalisation of the native Americans by Europeans if it goes on for long enough.

[Husar]

They often don't come from places as diverse as Dagestan (that's why they are at all able to form a majority of the population). In many cases, granting independence to certain regions could solve a lot.

That's completely untrue.

Many Western curriculums are full of unicorns, rainbows and tolerance already - what are you going to do? One of the countries that seems to have the most rainbows and unicorns is Sweden, and they're one of the worst off.

That's because unicorns count even peeing on the street as visual rape whereas countries full of bears don't even count *********** in their statistics and incentivize the police not to report it whenever possible.

Not by much.

By very much.

With a stop in relevant immigration and with evidence-based assimilation drives, we might revert to pre-immigration states sooner than you think.

With ongoing immigration and evidence-based tolerance-courses, everything can be fixed without resorting to Hitler's dream.

Think more about living your entire life in a city like Malmö, only to see crime rates shoot up as you grow older.

They didn't shoot up, and I would have voted for the people who made it happen repeatedly anyway.

And which 'artificially created divide' do we find in Japan that is some sort of equivalent to an ethnic divide?

Rich vs. Poor, Men vs Women, Japanese vs. Criminals, Able-Bodied vs. Disabled.
Not to forget that for being such a utopia, 57th place in the happiness ranking, way after most of the terribly diverse Euronations, is not exactly a stellar achievement.

Not just Malmö, many different places.

Such as?

Common religious and lingual roots. The latter part might be more important than it first seems, as it may also include a recent (relatively speaking) common cultural origin.

Languages can be learned, taught even.

There's a lot of relevant crime in Europe that's in addition to terrorism (as discussed previously); and of course, the American mafia is another example of how immigration can go wrong.

That other crime is statistically insignificant, 2 million new Germans of the same socioeconomic group instead of 2 million new immigrants would produce the same "increase". Ethnicity does not factor in there.
And there's a mafia in Japan, too. Your argument is invalid.

In the same vague sense that the non-Western immigration to Europe has the potential to become comparable to the marginalisation of the native Americans by Europeans if it goes on for long enough.

When? 2500? The comparison is completely invalid again on several levels. The native Americans were technologically inferior and killed by diseases they did not know due to their lack of contact with other ethnicities. Today we have plenty of measures to at least dampen the effect of diseases, have fewer diseases we don't know anything about and are technically, monetarily and in most other aspects superior to the refugees and immigrants. They also don't land here with armed and armored soldiers disembarking from warships in case you haven't noticed.

[Viking]

Rich vs. Poor, Men vs Women, Japanese vs. Criminals, Able-Bodied vs. Disabled.

You find those divides in diverse countries too (though maybe without the strange capitalisation).

Such as?

Forgotten about the banlieus already?

Languages can be learned, taught even.

You cut out the important bit:

[having common ingual roots] might be more important than it first seems, as it may also include a recent (relatively speaking) common cultural origin.

In other words, the Indo-European cultures of Europe could in theory be sharing some abstract features that many cultures outside of Europe might not share as many of.

That other crime is statistically insignificant, 2 million new Germans of the same socioeconomic group instead of 2 million new immigrants would produce the same "increase".

If you are talking about recent arrivals, that is too early to tell.

And there's a mafia in Japan, too.

The point is that there was mafia in Italy, then the concept or organisation spread to the US with immigration from Italy.

When? 2500? The comparison is completely invalid again on several levels. The native Americans were technologically inferior and killed by diseases they did not know due to their lack of contact with other ethnicities. Today we have plenty of measures to at least dampen the effect of diseases, have fewer diseases we don't know anything about and are technically, monetarily and in most other aspects superior to the refugees and immigrants. They also don't land here with armed and armored soldiers disembarking from warships in case you haven't noticed.

They are about as related as your talk of NSDAP and 'Jewish bankers' is to my posts.

[Husar]

You find those divides in diverse countries too (though maybe without the strange capitalisation).

They are more pronounced in Japan.

Forgotten about the banlieus already?

No.

You cut out the important bit:

In other words, the Indo-European cultures of Europe could in theory be sharing some abstract features that many cultures outside of Europe might not share as many of.

Fantasy argument. Great!

If you are talking about recent arrivals, that is too early to tell.

German police already recorded a decrease in crime among recent arrivals.

The point is that there was mafia in Italy, then the concept or organisation spread to the US with immigration from Italy.

Yes, there are also crabs that spread around the world with trade vessels and then eat all the other crabs.
The point was that the mafia didn't come into existence solely due to ethnic mixing as it existed within a relatively homogeneous group just as well, even began there.
The concept of organized crime and/or gangs came up in many different ethnicities, Japan also has the Yakuza, or were they spawned by Sicilian immigrants as well?

They are about as related as your talk of NSDAP and 'Jewish bankers' is to my posts.

That you did not understand my comparison does not make yours any more valid though, unfortunately.

[Viking]

They are more pronounced in Japan.

Show the numbers.

Fantasy argument. Great!

Not enough firebreathing dragons with a pro-immigration stance.

German police already recorded a decrease in crime among recent arrivals.

Source? Regardless, you may find the the next 20-40 years more interesting than the previous 2.

The point was that the mafia didn't come into existence solely due to ethnic mixing as it existed within a relatively homogeneous group just as well, even began there.

Duh. You can note that such networks did not come into existence in many homogeneous populations. Maybe some cultures didn't have the right seeds.

That you did not understand my comparison does not make yours any more valid though, unfortunately.

They were both about principles and not so much about the actual processes going on. Marginalisation can have similar end results regardless of whether it is carried out with violence.

[Husar]

Show the numbers.

They're out there, just like your numbers I assume.
We are getting to the point again where we realize again that you haven't proven anything.

Source? Regardless, you may find the the next 20-40 years more interesting than the previous 2.

Source was already provided in the discussion with Greyblades I think, or maybe it was here. Surely you can find it together with sources for all the unsourced things you claim.

Duh. You can note that such networks did not come into existence in many homogeneous populations. Maybe some cultures didn't have the right seeds.

Maybe ethnic diversity is also not the only or most important factor in the calculation...
Shocking, I know!

[Viking]

They're out there, just like your numbers I assume.

What numbers?

We are getting to the point again where we realize again that you haven't proven anything.

I didn't know I was trying to 'prove' anything.

Source was already provided in the discussion with Greyblades I think, or maybe it was here.

Or maybe you remembered it incorrectly. That's why it's nice when specific claims go with specific sources so that it can be easily verified, preferably without going through your post history.

Surely you can find it together with sources for all the unsourced things you claim.

Which statements which you dispute would that be? Be specific.

Maybe ethnic diversity is also not the only or most important factor in the calculation...
Shocking, I know!