French Presidential Election

[Gilrandir]

Mine: "She was one of the worst Minister of Finances France ever had..". Yours: "they should be comparative for us to judge who was the worst French minister of finance EVER"; Read the difference...

Still any claim (either ONE of the worst or the WORST) is to be proved numerically. Otherwise it is just an opinionated and arbitrary judgement.

"Not backed by facts? What about the reality check?" About opinion. Nope. That is the key problem. You mix-up analyse and opinions. Not up to me to explain the difference... I did try in the past and failed...

The latter is not an uncommon thing with you. But I'm shocked to learn that marxists can switch on their fabled skills in some cases and allow themselves ungrounded claims in others.

"I'm not going to google anything, it is your claim, so you are supposed to sustain it." You do what you want. I am not supposed to do anything, nor I am obliged.

I see. When being unable to prove the claim a blunt refusal is always the best tactics.

[Tristuskhan]

Madame Penelope Fillon is now suspected to have been paid as much as 900k € public money in exchange of thin air. Beginning to smell bad for our french Thatcherboy. Love when those people promote christian virtues and austerity for the common citizen.

Guillotine anyone? Mrs Fillon would be a perfectly appropriate Marie-Antoinette for the XXIst century.

[Brenus]

"Otherwise it is just an opinionated and arbitrary judgement." Which, as I actually said, is: My opinion. You finally got it.
For the rest of your rant, whatever...

"This has very little to do with the argument at hand - except to point out that the French remain less enlightened than most of the rest of Europe with regards to their national concept of Self." Nonsense, but you know this. I heard enough of debate about St George and Englishness to know exactly French have at least more clues about themselves than the English

"Also, again I note the mocking smilies - you need to stop that." No. Definition is laugh4. Not mocking, laughing. Stop pretending things so detached from reality that they make me laugh.


"You told me Breton was a dead language (something achieved in a generation or two) and Occitan was inferior to French because French had supplanted it. It's a sort of linguistic and cultural "Might makes Right" So, i told you a Breton is dead and still alive. Hmm, surprising, but then...
And I never ever speak of language in term of value/valor. How a language can be inferior?

"Compare the UK, or Spain." Don't know Spain, have more clue about England (more than you have about France, obviously).
Absolutely all is in English. Except the Royal Motto which is in French.

"I am shocked you agree with me." You are in systematic opposition, so, yeah, it probably hurts. Don't worry, you will recover, just watch a episode of Sharp, you will fell better.

[Gilrandir]

Fillon's rating has taken adip:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-fr...-idUSKBN15G43I

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Brenus, you've been here a decade - start using the quote function - it is really hard to follow this "bold tiny part of previous post, delete the rest" method and it's just as easy to stick quote tags around something as bold it.

"Otherwise it is just an opinionated and arbitrary judgement." Which, as I actually said, is: My opinion. You finally got it.
For the rest of your rant, whatever...

Case in point - I wasn't sure who you were responding to here - I had to use Ctrl + F on "opinion" to work it out.

"This has very little to do with the argument at hand - except to point out that the French remain less enlightened than most of the rest of Europe with regards to their national concept of Self." Nonsense, but you know this. I heard enough of debate about St George and Englishness to know exactly French have at least more clues about themselves than the English

As to your point - the concept of "French" is different to the concept of "English". The "English" are an ethno-cultural group primarily living in England. To be French - on the other hand - is akin to being British, it is a political and legal status - not an ethnic one, except that it is also an ethno-cultural identity. The British and the Spanish recognise separate ethno-cultural identities within their national identity and have multiple legally recognised languages as a result.

In France the only recognised language is French, and this is unenlightened because in an age when the other nations of Europe seek to allow space for ethnic diversity within their borders the Frnch continue to impose Frankification on their indigenous cultural minorities.

"Also, again I note the mocking smilies - you need to stop that." No. Definition is laugh4. Not mocking, laughing. Stop pretending things so detached from reality that they make me laugh.

Laughing at someone is a form of mockery. You cannot claim it is a reflex because you are not speaking, you are typing, and in this case you took days to respond. Now,I am asking you as politely as I can to refrain from adding smilies for effect.

"You told me Breton was a dead language (something achieved in a generation or two) and Occitan was inferior to French because French had supplanted it. It's a sort of linguistic and cultural "Might makes Right" So, i told you a Breton is dead and still alive. Hmm, surprising, but then...
And I never ever speak of language in term of value/valor. How a language can be inferior?

I remember the conversation even if you don't - I pointed out that many of the great "French" romances are actually Occitan and you went on a whole thing about your Occitan grandfather (or great grandfather) and how he and his wife made a choice to only teach their children French and this was a good thing. I pointed out that, as a result, you were unable to read the literature of your ancestors and you said words to the effect that it didn't matter, that French was the future.

"Compare the UK, or Spain." Don't know Spain, have more clue about England (more than you have about France, obviously).
Absolutely all is in English. Except the Royal Motto which is in French.

Try visiting Wales - even the pound coins are in Welsh (not Latin) and stop this lazy equation of British and English - they aren't the same thing.

"I am shocked you agree with me." You are in systematic opposition, so, yeah, it probably hurts. Don't worry, you will recover, just watch a episode of Sharp, you will fell better.

So I essay to end on a lighter note after grilling you and you take another opportunity to insult me.

I'm starting to think you just don't like me personally.

[Tristuskhan]

In France the only recognised language is French, and this is unenlightened because in an age when the other nations of Europe seek to allow space for ethnic diversity within their borders the Frnch continue to impose Frankification on their indigenous cultural minorities.

Glad to react as a breton speaker: France does not have to impose anymore. Harm is done since 1950, at least. The absolute lack of support from the state to the breton language is a bore, but it's been like that for more than 200 years, so... Breton is functionnaly extinct, but paradoxally thrives the way hebrew thrived for 2000 years.
Breton as a litterary language disapeared mid-19th century. Breton as a populart idiom fell apart after 1918 (people began speaking to their kids in a mix of very bad french and very, very bad breton: elders have a nice accent but speak breton like erh... english swines).
Breton is alive again as a litterary language. Making it a popular form again would need state support (probably, but look at Ireland: Irish is supported by the state, every paddy knows it, but how many use it?).
Speakers use breton in pubs on week-ends. When they are lucky enough to live in the breton-speaking part of Brittany (I'm 1000kms away). So breton is not dead (or it stopped dying).

I remember the conversation even if you don't - I pointed out that many of the great "French" romances are actually Occitan and you went on a whole thing about your Occitan grandfather (or great grandfather) and how he and his wife made a choice to only teach their children French and this was a good thing. I pointed out that, as a result, you were unable to read the literature of your ancestors and you said words to the effect that it didn't matter, that French was the future.

Schoolteachers, who were the Black Hussars of the Republic and were paid to destroy local tongues, always said that a kid with zero knowledge of french when arriving in school had much easier time learning proper french than one whose parents tried to teach their poor french. Sorry Brennus, your great-grandparents were not so bright doing what they did, it was a pity for generations of kids (my father is one of those)

BTW, don't expect a french to understand bilinguism is a blessing. Hardcoded.

Back to the topic. Penelope Fillon, assistant of a MP, never had a snipe card nor a mailbox in the Palais Bourbon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palais_Bourbon

My friends, this lady is becoming a legend so fast, that's outstanding.

[Brenus]

"Sorry Brennus, your great-grandparents were not so bright doing what they did, it was a pity for generations of kids (my father is one of those)" They didn't speak the same dialogue (patois) than the village 6 kms away. You know as me that French is the official language of the country which doesn't prevent Alsatian, Corsica, Basques and so on to have the right to use their languages. Problem for local languages is of course the French move within France, even going in Africa, Canada and other French speaking countries. In Congo, they speak french, not Britain. We married or have relationship with others belonging to another "cultural" space.
First sister was born in Bamako (Mali), me and 2 brothers in Ain, 2nd sister in Angouleme, 3rd in Orange? What should be our language?

[Gilrandir]

"French is the official language of the country which doesn't prevent Alsatian, Corsica, Basques and so on to have the right to use their languages.

Like to get education in those languages, to read press and books in them, to address the authorities, to have court sessions, to watch movies and have TV channels?