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Husar 01:29 01-26-2017
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
This executive approach is certainly his "comfort zone." It is one of his strengths. He will have to adapt because no one person is powerful enough to bend all of the bureaucracy to his or her will -- at least for any length of time. His ability to make quick and decisive choices could be a real strength if used judiciously.
Everyone has that ability, the question is whether the result is desirable.
If he had always made the right quick decisions, why did he have so many failed businesses?

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
I think people underestimate his intelligence.
He may have a very high social intelligence or so in the sense that he knows who to get drunk with or how to appeal to other rich white men, that does however not mean that he necessarily understands everything he does. And if he does, well, you're now being ruled by an orange Machiavelli...

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Philippus Flavius Homovallumus 01:49 01-26-2017
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
Well, I've been using that word wrong for 10 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonce_(slang)

Originally Posted by Husar:
Everyone has that ability, the question is whether the result is desirable.
If he had always made the right quick decisions, why did he have so many failed businesses?

He may have a very high social intelligence or so in the sense that he knows who to get drunk with or how to appeal to other rich white men, that does however not mean that he necessarily understands everything he does. And if he does, well, you're now being ruled by an orange Machiavelli...
Why did he have so much money?

How did he win the Presidency?

He may not be an "Intellectual" like Obama but that doesn't mean he isn't generally Intelligent, or cunning.

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a completely inoffensive name 01:55 01-26-2017
At least he is doing what he said he would do.

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Seamus Fermanagh 06:18 01-31-2017
Lord love a duck. The tone of these posts suggests that impeachment would fall short, and that summary execution for thought crimes is the only acceptable measure for Trump.


CHILL....he is just another occupant of the oval. No need to check the scalp for tattoos.

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Seamus Fermanagh 23:57 10-02-2017
More than 18 hours following the mass murder event in Las Vegas, President Trump has managed to avoid being grossly offensive or saying anything notably stupid.

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HopAlongBunny 00:20 10-03-2017
Time for a Muslin ban?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/1...115500667.html

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Beskar 15:34 10-03-2017
Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny:
Time for a Muslin ban?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/1...115500667.html
Probably because Stephen Paddock was a Trump supporter. We know it is true. Just wished it wasn't.

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Beskar 12:42 10-04-2017
Trump starting to crack down on Political Opponents.

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Husar 02:28 01-26-2017
Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus:
Why did he have so much money?

How did he win the Presidency?

He may not be an "Intellectual" like Obama but that doesn't mean he isn't generally Intelligent, or cunning.
1. From daddy and his friends. Didn't he even get new money when he was already bankrupt? Do poor people without connections get that, too?

2. Not by appealing to the most intelligent people and not by winning the popular vote either, while we're at it. I don't think intelligence is a requirement to win an election.

It is also entirely possible that he is a combination of all that as I said. He may know how to get (certain) people to support him, but that does not mean he knows how to run a country well. Otherwise every winner of "Country x has talent" would have to be a genius. If we derive intelligence from popularity, scripted reality shows have to be something we can learn a lot from.

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Philippus Flavius Homovallumus 03:10 01-26-2017
Originally Posted by Montmorency:
Not exactly?



But for your pleasure:



You knew I was a snake!
I am not suggesting it was a deliberate snub, but it was a deliberate decision to visibly replace the Churchill Bust with the King Bust. As Obama notes he had another Bust of Churchill that he could have moved to the Oval Office. Trump apparently found room for both Busts.

Rather like Obama saying the UK would "go to the back of the queue" for a trade deal behind China, it speaks to his attitude.

Originally Posted by Husar:
1. From daddy and his friends. Didn't he even get new money when he was already bankrupt? Do poor people without connections get that, too?

2. Not by appealing to the most intelligent people and not by winning the popular vote either, while we're at it. I don't think intelligence is a requirement to win an election.

It is also entirely possible that he is a combination of all that as I said. He may know how to get (certain) people to support him, but that does not mean he knows how to run a country well. Otherwise every winner of "Country x has talent" would have to be a genius. If we derive intelligence from popularity, scripted reality shows have to be something we can learn a lot from.
Before Obama became President he had essentially been an academic and a Senator, not any kind of executive. So how is Trump less qualified than Obama? they're qualified in different ways.

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Husar 03:27 01-26-2017
Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus:
Before Obama became President he had essentially been an academic and a Senator, not any kind of executive. So how is Trump less qualified than Obama? they're qualified in different ways.
Trump didn't really earn that, he was born into it. That's not a qualification, it's a privilege.
He may have learned a bit over time, but Xiahou already showed that he would be even richer now had he not touched his money with his decisions... If we're to judge his "qualification" based on that, he's a terrible executive.
Obama didn't need to prove his intelligence by pointing to his bank account because he didn't talk like a dumbass and didn't lie with every second sentence. I'm also not aware that Obama went bankrupt several times or earned less money than he would have if he had merely invested his base capital instead of squandering his profits with bad decisions.

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Montmorency 03:35 01-26-2017
Originally Posted by :
Trump apparently found room for both Busts.
As per the article, he has temporarily moved the older bust from the private residence, where Obama kept it after it was repaired, to the Oval Office. It does not seem he will have both busts in the office at once. Meanwhile, Trump's overall design seems to be refashioning the office to mimic its appearance under W Bush, with some degree of influence from the Farage connection.

Originally Posted by :
So how is Trump less qualified than Obama?
That's rather glib. Of course if we stretch our parameters wide enough we might discover many tens of thousands more or less qualified to hold high office compared to past holders. Any number of politicians, corporate executives, professors or generals. Has there ever been an unqualified candidate, in fact?

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Philippus Flavius Homovallumus 17:56 01-26-2017
Originally Posted by Montmorency:
As per the article, he has temporarily moved the older bust from the private residence, where Obama kept it after it was repaired, to the Oval Office. It does not seem he will have both busts in the office at once. Meanwhile, Trump's overall design seems to be refashioning the office to mimic its appearance under W Bush, with some degree of influence from the Farage connection.
I meant, unlike Obama he's found a way to fit Churchill and MLK into the Oval Office - which apparently Obama was unable to do.

Originally Posted by :
That's rather glib. Of course if we stretch our parameters wide enough we might discover many tens of thousands more or less qualified to hold high office compared to past holders. Any number of politicians, corporate executives, professors or generals. Has there ever been an unqualified candidate, in fact?
Not at all

As I understand it prior to running the US the only thing Obama had run was the Harvard Law Review (was that the one?) as a student. I recall Obama's first election when it was him against John McCain and an American friend here at the time observed that people who have only been Senators, as opposed to Governors, make bad Presidents.

Being a Legislator is rather different to being the Chief Executive of the United States Corporation.

Has Trump been an unmitigated success?

No - but he has had successes as an Executive and he worked out, unlike Clinton, how to appeal to the broadest possible coalition of American voters. He shattered the "Democratic Firewall" that' was supposed to give them an in-built advantage.

Does he say some off - colour things?

Yes.

However, if you look at what he says on torture, what he actually said is Intelligence Chiefs tell him they think it's effective and therefore he thinks it should be available. As opposed to former US Presidents who would swear the US NEVER uses torture whilst in a langley basement somewhere someone is having his fingers broken.

At least he's honest.

He's also demonstrating a number of things by following the advice of his spooks:

1. Delegation of responsibility to experts.

2. Backing up your subordinates, in public.

These are usually considered positive qualities in a leader - except in this case the issue is the use of torture.

Overall, I see no evidence he's "stupid", more that he just doesn't care what he detractors think and he gives unfiltered opinions.

You know a Liberal Comedian recently said she didn't want to interview Melania Trump because she can barely speak English? She apparently speaks six languages, but she's Slovenian and therefore clearly Euro-trash.

There's a word for that sort of opinion... can't put my finger on it, though...

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Seamus Fermanagh 03:53 01-26-2017
Originally Posted by Husar:
Trump didn't really earn that, he was born into it. That's not a qualification, it's a privilege.
He may have learned a bit over time, but Xiahou already showed that he would be even richer now had he not touched his money with his decisions... If we're to judge his "qualification" based on that, he's a terrible executive.
Obama didn't need to prove his intelligence by pointing to his bank account because he didn't talk like a dumbass and didn't lie with every second sentence. I'm also not aware that Obama went bankrupt several times or earned less money than he would have if he had merely invested his base capital instead of squandering his profits with bad decisions.
Making 10B is just a touch easier with a $100M starter loan than with 100K in school debt.

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Greyblades 08:08 01-26-2017
Well there are plenty of opportunities for those with a degree in gender studies, assuming they can find enough rubes whose own degree has overwhelmed with white guilt and whose parents haven't yet cut them off from daddy's money.

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