Trump Thread

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I was referring to the first part of his post, not the second.

I knew that, but the joke didn't work if I acknowledged it.

[Greyblades]

Political power is second only to ethanol in allowing ugly people to get laid.

Especially when it comes to the more exotic tastes

Spirit cooking parties, Biljana Djurdjevic paintings, dahlmer victim sculptures; somehow I find the probabilty that an active fbi investigation at tony podestas door finding nothing highly unlikely.

Then again he is one of clinton's, it is equally likely that none of it will see the light of day.

[Montmorency]

I just realized that Steve Bannon and "moderate" conservatives are essentially ideologically-identical, and want near-identical policies. Internecine hostility obscures the lack of any real divide beyond a rhetorical one.

[Hooahguy]

I will bet its either Manafort or Flynn. We will know on Monday I guess.

[Kralizec]

Somehow I have a hard time believing that but okay.

He is probably still mulling over Pizzagate because he's unwilling to admit his mistake in lending any credence to a stupid conspiracy theory.

How stupid was it? Even Alex Jones eventually apologized for promoting it.

[Greyblades]

I see you're trying to portray me as crazy for thinking there was actually something criminal behind the guy who openly has portraits of half naked prepubescant children and sculptures of murder victims hanging in his home, would you like some help with that?

I'm sorry to say it but even clippy cant undo the damage the mass buying into russiagate by both public and media, (not to mention pissgate) has done to the "make him look like a crazy conspiracy theorist" angle.


Conspiract theory accusations have become the new Godwins law.

[Beskar]

Russia helping Trump is known, the question is "How much collusion was there?" and we know thanks to Trump's son that there was a very real possibility of that going on.

[Greyblades]

The creepyness of Tony podesta is known the question is "how depraved is that creep?" And we know from the clinton emails and that there was a real possibility of that going on.

Ironic echo aside, the reality of russia hasnt stopped a year straight of unwaivering unsubstantiated belief of impeachable collusion by an swathes of those previously thought as better than such rabid certainty.

The the conciet that such dot joining is the sole remit of a single political orientation or exclusive to the unreasonable is discredited.

[Hooahguy]

I see you're trying to portray me as crazy for thinking there was actually something criminal behind the guy who openly has portraits of half naked prepubescant children and sculptures of murder victims hanging in his home, would you like some help with that?

Source?

[Greyblades]

Source?

From an article on the interior of tony podesta's house:

http://washingtonlife.com/2015/06/05...ivate-viewing/



The picture in the corner is a painting called schoolgirl made by Biljana Djurdjevic:



The art podesta posessed is creepy, but on it's own it is overlookable, it gets worse when you consider this is the less creepy work of the artist, who has an extremely disturbing portfolio (Warning "Art" of half naked children, living and dead):

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

In addition to the portrait tony podesta's house displays a sculpture that is inspired by images of how jeffry dhalmer mutilated and posed his murder victim (Warning: footage of a posed corpse):

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Now here's the thing, alone this is freaking creepy and the impications of such openess over such preferences is repugnant but this is not proof of paedophillia, however it puts a great big bullseye on tony podesta every time the clintons and the campaign are implicated as having paedophiles on the payroll, which the emails did:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10052

>> With enormous gratitude to Advance Man Extraordinaire Haber, I am popping
>> up again to share our excitement about the Reprise of Our Gang’s visit to
>> the farm in Lovettsville. And I thought I’d share a couple more notes:
>> We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be
>> Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and
>> almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in
>> that pool for sure. And with the forecast showing prospects of some sun,
>> and a cooler temp of lower 60s, I suggest you bring sweaters of whatever
>> attire will enable us to use our outdoor table with a pergola overhead so
>> we dine al fresco (and ideally not al-CHILLo).

3 names identified as 11, 9, and almost 7 delivered by uber to a pool party, it is hard to interprete that kindly.

[Hooahguy]

Ok, I will admit the art is creepy as hell, but the Pizzagate stuff has been debunked ages ago.

That email you quote could also mean that these kids are coming to the party so there will be more fun things for the kids to do while the adults do their own thing. Probably is totally innocent. Considering that the last name of one of the kids matches up to one of the people on that email chain (Tamera Luzzatto) I would wager my thinking is the more likely version.

[Greyblades]

Hm more accurately the only part of the pizzagate stuff that was properly debunked was the idea that there was a sex ring operating under the pizza place, the potential of paedophiles in the campaign staff was not, not that that stopped people trying to say that on this very board IIRC.

Technically neither was the pizza being code for kid thing, though personally I dont put much stock on it myself; the whole thing came up as someone taking an example from a previous case and looking for it in the thousands of emails and coming across one where a Stratfor CEO getting annoyed that he has no idea why his employees kept metioning a "pizza project".

That email you quote could also mean that these kids are coming to the party so there will be more fun things for the kids to do while the adults do their own thing. Probably is totally innocent. Considering that the last name of one of the kids matches up to one of the people on that email chain (Tamera Luzzatto) I would wager my thinking is the more likely version.

Eh, I dont like it, the whole bringing kids by uber and calling them "entertainment" rubs me the wrong way, though I admit I might be inclined to agree were it not for John Podesta being invited and the general malaise of sleaze over the entire campaign.

Even ignoring the general idea that there are weird sex things going on all over capitol hill, clinton and co had connections to various paedophiles, like Bill's association with Jeffry Epstien's "Lolita Express" or Tony Podesta's friendship with Dennis Hastert not to mention Anthony Wiener, or that client clinton laughed over getting off despite being guilty as sin.

Plus there was that spirit cooking thing, blech.

With all that I find it hard not to see the bad interpretation as more probable than it perhaps should be, I suspect this is the same sort of predisposition what a lot of people have about the various trump corruption allegations.

[Kralizec]

Granted, the art is creepy. What does that prove? If I was a serial murderer or a pedophile, I would not openly display fetish pictures in my own house where visitors could see it. So the obvious conclusion is that Podesta is a murderer, a child predator and colossally stupid at the same time

So again: you're just waiting until the day until your belief in Pizzagate is vindicated. So that you'll never be forced to admit you tarnished somebody else's name in the worst possible manner, without any shred of evidence. Plus, all the sleepless nights and stress that guys like you gave that restaurant owner and his family.

[Hooahguy]

Eh, I dont like it, the whole bringing kids by uber and calling them "entertainment" rubs me the wrong way, though I admit I might be inclined to agree were it not for John Podesta being invited and the general malaise of sleaze over the entire campaign.

The email was likely not have been referring to the kids as entertainment, but that other means of entertainment would be arranged for the kids. Considering that it talks about the kids being in the pool I think thats likeliest explanation. Occam's razor and all.

[Greyblades]

Hell it it might be a snide asside for how children usually ruin things, but it is coming from those that travel in sketchy circles and suppose I do not posess the good faith you hold them in.

Granted, the art is creepy. What does that prove? If I was a serial murderer or a pedophile, I would not openly display fetish pictures in my own house where visitors could see it. So the obvious conclusion is that Podesta is a murderer, a child predator and colossally stupid at the same time

So again: you're just waiting until the day until your belief in Pizzagate is vindicated. So that you'll never be forced to admit you tarnished somebody else's name in the worst possible manner, without any shred of evidence. Plus, all the sleepless nights and stress that guys like you gave that restaurant owner and his family.

Lets see, a strawman saying I was intending to prove anything instead of explaining my expectation, an assumption of rationality upon an actor which by definition suffer a mental illness, assigning guilt over an action I took no part in, demonzing me for that asserted action, appealing to to shame over same.

You're projecting as usual, anything to declare your opposition evil.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Pizzagate is what happens when the government allows too many NEET's to congregate in one place.

[Hooahguy]

So as it turns out, Manafort is the first to be indicted, as I suspected.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

So as it turns out, Manafort is the first to be indicted, as I suspected.

Indeed.

Though we should remember the old 'ham sandwich' rule, and probably construe this more as a tool to encourage good singing than anything else.

[HopAlongBunny]

Manafort indicted on 12 charges including conspiracy against the United States. Former business partner Rick Gates also surrendered to authorities.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charges...rump-1.4377948

Just musing. I think Manafort is primarily concerned with what is good for Manafort; he will sing like a canary

[Beskar]

Related to those who support Trump: https://www.vox.com/2016/9/9/1284312...ment-overreach

[HopAlongBunny]

A nice overview of where we might head now that the process has started:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ed-next-215762

One not mentioned is the Trump Nuclear Option.
One version simply goes with Trump firing Mueller. He might not be able to that directly.Trump might be forced to fire his Deputy AG, and anyone beneath him who refuses to co-operate.
Upon finding a willing dance partner Trump appoints him/her to the vacant position using a law that allows temporary appointments (without confirmation) to fill a vacancy for 210 days.
The Total Destruction version hinges on something I have not been able to confirm. If the very position Mueller is in was created by an Executive Order, well that's just too easy. Abolish the post with a new Executive Order and the whole problem disappears!

[Husar]

Related to those who support Trump: https://www.vox.com/2016/9/9/1284312...ment-overreach

If people did that rolling smoke thing in my area, I'd make use of the open carry laws. Surely firing a bullet vs firing toxic smoke is a fair exchange?

[HopAlongBunny]

A shooting war might be just what They want
Further to this. If Muellers' investigation/charges do lead to an impeachment, what are the odds of a Civil War v.2?

OMG!
It's happening! Nov.4 'cause that's just how these anarchists roll!

https://wonkette.com/625024/oh-no-th...-be-very-fraid

[Seamus Fermanagh]

A shooting war might be just what They want
Further to this. If Muellers' investigation/charges do lead to an impeachment, what are the odds of a Civil War v.2?

Slim or none, and last I heard 'Slim' was fixin' to ride outa town.


If he is impeached, you may see our political parties fracture in a way they haven't since the ACW, but there is simply no generalized support for that kind of violence.

There are somewhere between 900 and 1000 hate groups in the USA. Their average membership is well below 500. With more than 280 million citizens and a total residency of over 320 million, that represents a small fraction of 1% and there is simply no groundswell of greater support. In fact, some of the hate groups also hate each other, so it isn't even a vaguely cohesive movement.

Individual haters generating a terrorism/threat of violence threat, yes. A2CW? Not gonna happen.

[Husar]

A shooting war might be just what They want
Further to this. If Muellers' investigation/charges do lead to an impeachment, what are the odds of a Civil War v.2?

OMG!
It's happening! Nov.4 'cause that's just how these anarchists roll!

https://wonkette.com/625024/oh-no-th...-be-very-fraid

If you go to that antifa website: https://revolutionaryabolition.org

And watch the video, you may actually realize, that we have a case of TWO crazy sides.
I would assume and hope the anarchists aren't as dangerous, but who knows when these people think they're the US version of the FARC and what not? Are some of their claims legitimate? Yes. Is it very, very crazy to take up arms and massacre people while claiming to end injustice? Yes. They'd have much more credibility if they tried to help Bernie Sanders instead of claiming he'll never get anywhere (which he is even less likely to do if they're not helping him).

Also, is the guy in the video an actual cop? He sure sounds and also looks like one, but I'm pretty sure if a policeman here made such a video, I'd expect him to get suspended/fired really fast.

[HopAlongBunny]

Well the image starting the piece has "100% Total Bull****" blazoned across it :)
From the article:

"Here is Mr. Not A Real Officer Pelz warning about the coming breakdown of society and calling for armed citizens to take up arms against the violent Antifa thugs: "

But I see what you are getting at...
That's exactly the image they wish to portray until their Anti-Antifa Revolution strikes!!!

[HopAlongBunny]

It looks like Greyblades will have to quiet his rants and go have a smoke
Tony Podesta is apparently a drive-by bit o'roadkill in the latest dust up.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...-broker-244341

No mention of murder or pedophile rings. He is packing up his business and quietly leaving the scene.
He might be back later, but perhaps the present "law and order" push on the Hill isn't the right "fit" (speculate wildly, even irresponsibly)

[HopAlongBunny]

The full indictments can be found courtesy of MotherJones:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...nd-rick-gates/

[Montmorency]

More important (up to this point) than Manafort is that a certain Trump campaign advisor Papadopoulos Flipped-on-Trump-oulos sometime in the summer. Papadopoulos brought out talk of Clinton research and meetings and emails with Putin almost right away upon joining Trump's national security/foreign policy team in March 2016. The more Paps talked up his Russian links, the higher he moved up in the campaign, even as the other members of his original team left over such reasons as lack of compensation. The timeline on communications regarding Russian communications with the campaign is pushed back further: before Manafort joined, before the Trump Jr. meeting, before the Wikileaks email dump, then after the national convention, after the election...

Concretely on collusion here, is if it can be demonstrated that any platform positions taken by the Trump campaign following March 31st (at least) constitute quid pro quo.

Fun byproduct: Wikileaks is further implicated as a front or intermediary for Russian intelligence.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Pannonian]

It looks like Greyblades will have to quiet his rants and go have a smoke
Tony Podesta is apparently a drive-by bit o'roadkill in the latest dust up.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...-broker-244341

No mention of murder or pedophile rings. He is packing up his business and quietly leaving the scene.
He might be back later, but perhaps the present "law and order" push on the Hill isn't the right "fit" (speculate wildly, even irresponsibly)

GB has backed Trump, Brexit, and Corbyn. Is he a Putin fan or something?