Trump Thread

[Beskar]

Related to those who support Trump: https://www.vox.com/2016/9/9/1284312...ment-overreach

[HopAlongBunny]

A nice overview of where we might head now that the process has started:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ed-next-215762

One not mentioned is the Trump Nuclear Option.
One version simply goes with Trump firing Mueller. He might not be able to that directly.Trump might be forced to fire his Deputy AG, and anyone beneath him who refuses to co-operate.
Upon finding a willing dance partner Trump appoints him/her to the vacant position using a law that allows temporary appointments (without confirmation) to fill a vacancy for 210 days.
The Total Destruction version hinges on something I have not been able to confirm. If the very position Mueller is in was created by an Executive Order, well that's just too easy. Abolish the post with a new Executive Order and the whole problem disappears!

[Husar]

Related to those who support Trump: https://www.vox.com/2016/9/9/1284312...ment-overreach

If people did that rolling smoke thing in my area, I'd make use of the open carry laws. Surely firing a bullet vs firing toxic smoke is a fair exchange?

[HopAlongBunny]

A shooting war might be just what They want
Further to this. If Muellers' investigation/charges do lead to an impeachment, what are the odds of a Civil War v.2?

OMG!
It's happening! Nov.4 'cause that's just how these anarchists roll!

https://wonkette.com/625024/oh-no-th...-be-very-fraid

[Seamus Fermanagh]

A shooting war might be just what They want
Further to this. If Muellers' investigation/charges do lead to an impeachment, what are the odds of a Civil War v.2?

Slim or none, and last I heard 'Slim' was fixin' to ride outa town.


If he is impeached, you may see our political parties fracture in a way they haven't since the ACW, but there is simply no generalized support for that kind of violence.

There are somewhere between 900 and 1000 hate groups in the USA. Their average membership is well below 500. With more than 280 million citizens and a total residency of over 320 million, that represents a small fraction of 1% and there is simply no groundswell of greater support. In fact, some of the hate groups also hate each other, so it isn't even a vaguely cohesive movement.

Individual haters generating a terrorism/threat of violence threat, yes. A2CW? Not gonna happen.

[Husar]

A shooting war might be just what They want
Further to this. If Muellers' investigation/charges do lead to an impeachment, what are the odds of a Civil War v.2?

OMG!
It's happening! Nov.4 'cause that's just how these anarchists roll!

https://wonkette.com/625024/oh-no-th...-be-very-fraid

If you go to that antifa website: https://revolutionaryabolition.org

And watch the video, you may actually realize, that we have a case of TWO crazy sides.
I would assume and hope the anarchists aren't as dangerous, but who knows when these people think they're the US version of the FARC and what not? Are some of their claims legitimate? Yes. Is it very, very crazy to take up arms and massacre people while claiming to end injustice? Yes. They'd have much more credibility if they tried to help Bernie Sanders instead of claiming he'll never get anywhere (which he is even less likely to do if they're not helping him).

Also, is the guy in the video an actual cop? He sure sounds and also looks like one, but I'm pretty sure if a policeman here made such a video, I'd expect him to get suspended/fired really fast.

[HopAlongBunny]

Well the image starting the piece has "100% Total Bull****" blazoned across it :)
From the article:

"Here is Mr. Not A Real Officer Pelz warning about the coming breakdown of society and calling for armed citizens to take up arms against the violent Antifa thugs: "

But I see what you are getting at...
That's exactly the image they wish to portray until their Anti-Antifa Revolution strikes!!!

[HopAlongBunny]

It looks like Greyblades will have to quiet his rants and go have a smoke
Tony Podesta is apparently a drive-by bit o'roadkill in the latest dust up.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...-broker-244341

No mention of murder or pedophile rings. He is packing up his business and quietly leaving the scene.
He might be back later, but perhaps the present "law and order" push on the Hill isn't the right "fit" (speculate wildly, even irresponsibly)

[HopAlongBunny]

The full indictments can be found courtesy of MotherJones:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...nd-rick-gates/

[Pannonian]

It looks like Greyblades will have to quiet his rants and go have a smoke
Tony Podesta is apparently a drive-by bit o'roadkill in the latest dust up.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...-broker-244341

No mention of murder or pedophile rings. He is packing up his business and quietly leaving the scene.
He might be back later, but perhaps the present "law and order" push on the Hill isn't the right "fit" (speculate wildly, even irresponsibly)

GB has backed Trump, Brexit, and Corbyn. Is he a Putin fan or something?

[Tuuvi]

If you go to that antifa website: https://revolutionaryabolition.org

And watch the video, you may actually realize, that we have a case of TWO crazy sides.
I would assume and hope the anarchists aren't as dangerous, but who knows when these people think they're the US version of the FARC and what not? Are some of their claims legitimate? Yes. Is it very, very crazy to take up arms and massacre people while claiming to end injustice? Yes. They'd have much more credibility if they tried to help Bernie Sanders instead of claiming he'll never get anywhere (which he is even less likely to do if they're not helping him).

Also, is the guy in the video an actual cop? He sure sounds and also looks like one, but I'm pretty sure if a policeman here made such a video, I'd expect him to get suspended/fired really fast.

From the website you posted:

Long Term Goal: Building the Abolitionist Project

For the Abolitionist project to be successful we must eventually transition from resistance to a revolutionary situation. Relationships and groups built through the underground railroad have the potential to become the foundation for organized defense groups, local councils, and regional/national councils.

We invite comrades to coordinate our activities regionally, and nationally as part of an Abolitionist Council.

Anarchists aren't going to attempt an armed insurgency until they feel like they have popular support and there is some sort of government crackdown or major unrest. This is basically what happened in Rojava/North Syria which that website cites as inspiration; the PYD had been organizing underground for years until the civil war broke out and they then took the opportunity to kick the regime out and create their own political institutions.

[Montmorency]

From the website you posted:



Anarchists aren't going to attempt an armed insurgency until they feel like they have popular support and there is some sort of government crackdown or major unrest. This is basically what happened in Rojava/North Syria which that website cites as inspiration; the PYD had been organizing underground for years until the civil war broke out and they then took the opportunity to kick the regime out and create their own political institutions.

In fact there's on-site coverage, Vice News or some other networks, of European anarchists who have volunteered to participate in the 'Kurdish experiment'.

I agree with the socialists: adventurists, the lot.

[Tuuvi]

In fact there's on-site coverage, Vice News or some other networks, of European anarchists who have volunteered to participate in the 'Kurdish experiment'.

I agree with the socialists: adventurists, the lot.

Which is kind of funny in a way, because Abdullah Ocalan, the PYD's philosophical leader, was influenced by an American radical named Murray Bookchin, who proposed that the state should be replaced with a confederation of democratic municipal assemblies. Bookchin considered himself an anarchist for many decades but he couldn't convince any other anarchists to adopt his ideas and ended up disowning the anarchist movement. Now that Bookchin is dead and some of his ideas are being implemented in Rojava, anarchists are willing to travel to Syria and risk their lives in support of Rojava's revolution.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

...Anarchists aren't going to attempt an armed insurgency until they feel like they have popular support and there is some sort of government crackdown or major unrest. This is basically what happened in Rojava/North Syria which that website cites as inspiration; the PYD had been organizing underground for years until the civil war broke out and they then took the opportunity to kick the regime out and create their own political institutions.

So the anarchists are waiting to get organized...

[Tuuvi]

Maybe "insurgency" was the wrong word, because at that point it would be more of a militia based endeavor like the American Revolution was than a terrorist insurgency like FARC. Either way my point still stands, anarchists aren't stupid/crazy enough to start a random terror campaign like the alt-right hysterics claim they will.