Trump Thread

**Fragony** · 01-30-2018, 13:27

Originally Posted by Gilrandir

This statement can be thought accurate only by those who aren't exposed to Russian media.

lol it doesn't work like that, they aren't our friends. They must be laughing their asses of how we destroy ourself with just a little nudge.

**Gilrandir** · 01-30-2018, 13:43

Originally Posted by Fragony

lol it doesn't work like that, they aren't our friends. They must be laughing their asses of how we destroy ourself with just a little nudge.

Laughing is one thing and expressing profound contempt and enmity is quite another.

**Fragony** · 01-30-2018, 14:52

Originally Posted by Gilrandir

Laughing is one thing and expressing profound contempt and enmity is quite another.

Well they are clever. The west is the dealbreaker here the west shouldn't creep up on their borders and that's exactly what is being done anyway. I wonder how long it takes before the Russians feel too cornered by the Nato, at some point they will and they would be right

**rory_20_uk** · 01-30-2018, 15:21

Originally Posted by Fragony

Well they are clever. The west is the dealbreaker here the west shouldn't creep up on their borders and that's exactly what is being done anyway. I wonder how long it takes before the Russians feel too cornered by the Nato, at some point they will and they would be right

Russia has been trying to increase its sphere of influence since at least the 1800s. Western Europe has been trying to contain them; in the Far East they have been jostling with China and Japan - both who would be keen to have territories returned that Russia annexed. They take what they can when they can. As do we.

Russia is as always picking for weaknesses from the Arctic circle to the Med. And in Syria they're having quite a lot of success as well as Ukraine. They're really doing well at getting the maximum results for the minimum effort.

**Fragony** · 01-30-2018, 15:46

China is a bigger concern for Russia. We ourselves, we couldn't possibly do anything, we are too weak, both in budget and mind. The eurozone can be taken with a schnaps and a laugh

**rory_20_uk** · 01-30-2018, 15:50

Indeed. A tooled-up China would worry me a hell of a lot more than West Europe. Europe probably would do something (such as a strongly worded letter) should they move in our direction whereas China might take measures to exert control over Eastern Russia. And all of China will be behind that. Quite an unsettling thought.

**Fragony** · 01-30-2018, 17:13

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Indeed. A tooled-up China would worry me a hell of a lot more than West Europe. Europe probably would do something (such as a strongly worded letter) should they move in our direction whereas China might take measures to exert control over Eastern Russia. And all of China will be behind that. Quite an unsettling thought.

It's going to happen, a friend of mine worked as an English teacher in China, she told me that some Russian areas are already Chinese in schoolbooks. She also been to Russia many times so I kinda take her word for it. I am also still secretly in love with her but never tell her that. The Russions know what's comming their way

**Gilrandir** · 01-30-2018, 15:55

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

And in Syria they're having quite a lot of success as well as Ukraine.

Depends on what you consider a success.

**rory_20_uk** · 01-30-2018, 16:11

Originally Posted by Gilrandir

Depends on what you consider a success.

A few years ago it could be thought that Syria would end up being a western-friendly puppet backed by the West, Israel and Saudi Arabia it is now a place where Turkey is currently shelling troops that are backed by the USA - both NATO members whilst Saudi Arabia squares off against Iran. They've got their warm water ports for at least the time being at least. They got to try out all sorts of toys on borderline defenceless targets.

So they dropped a load of old ordinance on targets and have got most of the world bickering about Syria rather than talking about how to force Russia to give back the Crimea.

**Gilrandir** · 01-30-2018, 18:19

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

A few years ago it could be thought that Syria would end up being a western-friendly puppet backed by the West, Israel and Saudi Arabia it is now a place where Turkey is currently shelling troops that are backed by the USA - both NATO members whilst Saudi Arabia squares off against Iran. They've got their warm water ports for at least the time being at least. They got to try out all sorts of toys on borderline defenceless targets.

So they dropped a load of old ordinance on targets and have got most of the world bickering about Syria rather than talking about how to force Russia to give back the Crimea.

I meant "success with Ukraine".