Trump Thread

[Agent Miles]

Megyn Kelly supposedly gives Trump a hard time at the debates and boom...she has her own TV show. Amarosa does a year at the WH and now she's writing a book after being "let go". Bannon "the Maverick" is going to do a tell-all about his time as a staffer (flunky) describing how Trump is betraying his base. Have any of you actually ever watched a reality show? Everyone is being played by Trump and his pals. They're laughing all the way to the bank.

Trump is the most liberal Republican that ever lived. He contributed to both Clintons' earlier campaigns. He won't start a war because he's having too much fun.

Look, his base are tired of liberal's trying to create the America in Kurt Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron. They want the government to stop handicapping our businesses, our workers and our country. Dems say MAGA means a return to Jim Crow, segregation and slavery. They want to forget that these were institutions the Democrats created. The Republicans had nothing to do with those. That's why MAGA works for the Reps. Republicans are not ashamed of the Civil War, or the Emancipation Proclamation or working with free African Americans.

We now know as a scientific fact that 75,000 years ago, only a few thousand people were left alive after Mount Toba exploded in the Pacific. They all lived in Africa. Every human alive today is descended from an African and only one race, the human, exists. Reps don't wallow in 19th century fears and ignorance about race. More people are working now and I hope that more people vote, one way or the other, in 2018 than ever before.

[Husar]

Megyn Kelly supposedly gives Trump a hard time at the debates and boom...she has her own TV show. Amarosa does a year at the WH and now she's writing a book after being "let go". Bannon "the Maverick" is going to do a tell-all about his time as a staffer (flunky) describing how Trump is betraying his base. Have any of you actually ever watched a reality show? Everyone is being played by Trump and his pals. They're laughing all the way to the bank.

Trump is the most liberal Republican that ever lived. He contributed to both Clintons' earlier campaigns. He won't start a war because he's having too much fun.

Look, his base are tired of liberal's trying to create the America in Kurt Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron. They want the government to stop handicapping our businesses, our workers and our country. Dems say MAGA means a return to Jim Crow, segregation and slavery. They want to forget that these were institutions the Democrats created. The Republicans had nothing to do with those. That's why MAGA works for the Reps. Republicans are not ashamed of the Civil War, or the Emancipation Proclamation or working with free African Americans.

We now know as a scientific fact that 75,000 years ago, only a few thousand people were left alive after Mount Toba exploded in the Pacific. They all lived in Africa. Every human alive today is descended from an African and only one race, the human, exists. Reps don't wallow in 19th century fears and ignorance about race. More people are working now and I hope that more people vote, one way or the other, in 2018 than ever before.

Are you trying to get a job with actual fake news outlets?

[spmetla]

Trump is the most liberal Republican that ever lived. He contributed to both Clintons' earlier campaigns. He won't start a war because he's having too much fun.

Look, his base are tired of liberal's trying to create the America in Kurt Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron. They want the government to stop handicapping our businesses, our workers and our country. Dems say MAGA means a return to Jim Crow, segregation and slavery. They want to forget that these were institutions the Democrats created. The Republicans had nothing to do with those. That's why MAGA works for the Reps. Republicans are not ashamed of the Civil War, or the Emancipation Proclamation or working with free African Americans.

We now know as a scientific fact that 75,000 years ago, only a few thousand people were left alive after Mount Toba exploded in the Pacific. They all lived in Africa. Every human alive today is descended from an African and only one race, the human, exists. Reps don't wallow in 19th century fears and ignorance about race. More people are working now and I hope that more people vote, one way or the other, in 2018 than ever before.

Trump's contributions don't make him liberal, it just makes him a rich guy buying political favors, he's said so himself.

I don't know why you bring up that the Democrats were the party of the south in the past. How is that relevant to now? After Kennedy and Johnson the Democrats lost the south and those voters have been republican supporters since. Yes, the Democrats have a past with shame in it, so do the Republicans but both parties now are not at all like they were 20 or 30 years ago much less 150 years ago.

The whole mantra of MAGA seems to be wallowing in dreams of an ivory towered past. America is great now, lets make it better. America in the '50s wasn't like leave it to beaver and I love Lucy for most Americans, why pretend that it was. We were at our height because all our competitors had been completed destroyed and bankrupted in WW2 while our industrial and financial base was untouched and therefore without any real competition left until the mid 60s into the 70s. That's not going to happen again unless Europe and East Asia into in a WW3 without our interfering for the first few years again.
Additionally for the MAGA idea that advocates isolationism, that worked for us when the Pax Britannia allowed us to piggy back on their world wide security and creation of an English speaking world market. For us to revert now with no one to play global policeman would be to go without the anglo-sphere world order that has allowed the rise of the USA since the 18th century. Being a globalist power is in our interest.

[Agent Miles]

Husar, you did not demonstrate how any of my post was fake. Thanks for trying to shoot the messenger. I'm told that is the major tactic in "The losers guide to intellectual cowardice."

Spmetla, I can't prevent some racist jerk from voting Republican any more than a Democrat can stop a marxist, anarchist thug from pretending to be a champion of anti-fascism. Nonetheless, 150 years ago my Republican ancestors were indeed at war with Democrats that thought they owned African Americans, could think for them and tell them what to do. We're still working on that one. When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, he was heard to say, "Now the (n-word)s will vote for us for the next 200 years."

After WW2, the USA was not destroyed by the conflict. However, we used open markets to rebuild our allies and former enemies both. Yes, we profited, but we knew that we were doing the right thing. Our new competitors profited from our open markets too and grew their economies. However, free trade does not mean you can sell us everything and we can't sell you our best paying products. It doesn't mean that the PRC can sell us cheap crap and we must give them the blueprints and intellectual property to anything we sell in China. That's not free trade. It's also not an open border for imports when what we really get are drugs, foreign gangs and human trafficking. If you control what your children watch on the internet it's not tyranny. When we control what crosses our borders it's not isolationism.

The PRC leaders believe that they have 3 times the population of the US, so eventually they will have 3 times our GDP. That would of course equate to a military 3 times ours as well. I shudder at what you may mean by "anglo-sphere world order", but we need to fix the economy that 8 years of socialism has gutted in order to compete. That's what Trump is already doing.

[rory_20_uk]

After WW2, the USA was not destroyed by the conflict. However, we used open markets to rebuild our allies and former enemies both. Yes, we profited, but we knew that we were doing the right thing. Our new competitors profited from our open markets too and grew their economies. However, free trade does not mean you can sell us everything and we can't sell you our best paying products. It doesn't mean that the PRC can sell us cheap crap and we must give them the blueprints and intellectual property to anything we sell in China. That's not free trade. It's also not an open border for imports when what we really get are drugs, foreign gangs and human trafficking. If you control what your children watch on the internet it's not tyranny. When we control what crosses our borders it's not isolationism.

The PRC leaders believe that they have 3 times the population of the US, so eventually they will have 3 times our GDP. That would of course equate to a military 3 times ours as well. I shudder at what you may mean by "anglo-sphere world order", but we need to fix the economy that 8 years of socialism has gutted in order to compete. That's what Trump is already doing.

Right thing? Giving up Eastern Europe was the "Right Thing"? This was done on moral grounds?

The USA took a vast amount of IP and property after both WW1 and WW2 never big on giving this back. So yes, the markets were open... after they'd ensured they were as biased in their own direction as humanly possible. Right up there with The British Empire wanting "free Markets" with China - absolutely fine since the rules are massively fixed.

The USA continues to have vast amount of their own rules about how one can work and play in the USA.

You appear to have overlooked the vast amount of weaponry that leaves the USA, both to support the gangs that would not exist without the USA's "war on drugs" as well as sold to dictators around the world.

8 years of problems that the Root Cause was Socialism. Not unregulated Capitalism that led to the massive crash...? Oh, and the National Debt went up massively under Bush II. But these things hardly fit the narrative, do they? Trump might "Sort Everything Out". Time will tell. So far... not much to show. I know, I know... Deep State right?

[Agent Miles]

Churchill and FDR (a socialist Democrat by the way) gave up Eastern Europe, not Trump or a Republican.

Here's a site from your own UK that credits post war Free Trade to your favorite empire:

http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/22351/1/wp78.pdf

Actually, all of the countries originally lowered their tariffs to near zero and the US suffered industry adjustments to cheaper imports. So unless you have proof to your posts, then thank you soooo much.

The Obama (a democratic Socialist BTW) program "Fast and Furious" to sell guns to Mexican Drug lords is not on Trump's list of things to continue. As to dictators buying our weapons, will someone please explain the part about how adults should only do business with the really nice people in the world? Before everyone jumps at the chance, remember that you then take responsibility for the millions of people that will perish at the hands of their neighbors who were not armed by the US.

The "crash" was indisputably caused when Democrats (really, really nice people BTW) passed a law that banks absolutely had to give home owner mortgages to people who could not afford to pay them. When they actually could no longer pay the fees, the banks, who could not allow default by law, added the deficit to the mortgage until the sum was unbearable. The capitalism, i.e. basic math, wasn't unregulated. Ever. Also, Bush II didn't double the national debt as Obama did. I suppose over five trillion dollars invested in the economy and the lowest unemployment for Blacks in 17 years and Hispanics in the entire history of the records isn't much to show for it...yet.

[rory_20_uk]

It takes a... "special" type of person to in a system of government with two chambers and a president to manage to blame everything on "the other lot" regardless of when an event happened and who is in power. Clearly you fall into that category. I have little interest in whether Democrats or Republicans are responsible.

The USA gave up Eastern Europe. Britain was all but defeated in 1941 if the USA had not joined since Germany declared war. The USA has undertaken almost every intervention on grounds that are miles away from a "moral" standpoint.

The paper itself states the author disagrees with others. So you've found someone with a point of view. Well done. Given it is a view that disagrees with me, I should be calling it "Fake News!". As it is I'll just say it is a viewpoint and apparently one that is not shared by many others in the

Industry adjustments. Wow, that must have been a tough period. Meanwhile most empires in Europe had fallen; Germany was partially occupied by France and had a currency collapse. America, meanwhile had to deal with some changes to imports! Then WW2 where everything in Europe was almost flattened. Yes, clearly everyone suffered.

Proof how this could benefit the USA:

The territory USA annexed from the Germans post-WW1; from Japan post WW2
The patents USA took post WW1 - such as the company Merck. Oh, and a bit more: Half a billion taken
A reference that Europe was damaged by the war. You seriously need a reference that industry was damaged?

The USA is still selling guns. They have done under Republicans and under Democrats. And I LOVE how selling guns doesn't need to be moral (or sort of is since it is more good old moral relativism) yet invading (sorry - saving) Libya should be.

But don't forget - it can all be dismissed as Fake News.

[Agent Miles]

In case you missed it, I clearly blamed exactly the people who actually caused those incidents and when. I'll use smaller words...the Dems.

The Dems sold out East Europe (2 syllables, sorry).

You do not seem to have a view. "Site cynic" is not a view.

Free trade good! We lost low wage jobs to trade. We got new jobs though.

Men from GE in US in WW1: 1,000,000s. Men in camps: 2300. Ooooh.

So we should have saved east Europe, but not Libya? Got it.

[Hooahguy]

The Obama (a democratic Socialist BTW)

program "Fast and Furious" to sell guns to Mexican Drug lords is not on Trump's list of things to continue.

Program started in 2006 but ok. Not going to argue the morality of the program as the whole drug war is a farce but it was hardly a program started by Obama.

The "crash" was indisputably caused when Democrats (really, really nice people BTW) passed a law that banks absolutely had to give home owner mortgages to people who could not afford to pay them. When they actually could no longer pay the fees, the banks, who could not allow default by law, added the deficit to the mortgage until the sum was unbearable. The capitalism, i.e. basic math, wasn't unregulated. Ever.

Pointing to one single action as the cause of the 2008 crash shows a major misunderstanding of what actually caused the crash, which was caused by an amalgamation of issues within the financial and housing markets.

Also, Bush II didn't double the national debt as Obama did.

No but he did get us into two wars, one of which is still going on today and the other was under false pretenses and destabilized the Middle East even further.

[Kralizec]

The "crash" was indisputably caused when Democrats (really, really nice people BTW) passed a law that banks absolutely had to give home owner mortgages to people who could not afford to pay them. When they actually could no longer pay the fees, the banks, who could not allow default by law, added the deficit to the mortgage until the sum was unbearable. The capitalism, i.e. basic math, wasn't unregulated. Ever. Also, Bush II didn't double the national debt as Obama did. I suppose over five trillion dollars invested in the economy and the lowest unemployment for Blacks in 17 years and Hispanics in the entire history of the records isn't much to show for it...yet.

Banks were not obliged to give anyone a loan. Ever. You are peddling fantasies.
Before you mention Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, the fact is that the mortgages they gave out actually turned out better on average than those of private companies who also dealt in subprime mortgages. Private banks, which obscured the risks of subprime loans with sophisticated securitization schemes, had a much larger hand in the crisis.

It's undeniable that the USA's national debt exploded in the Obama years, but when he took office the economy had imploded. Most countries in the world took refuge in deficit spending after the crises. Also, some of the bigger budget busting expenditures, such as TARP, were actually approved in the last year of the Bush administration.

[Devastatin Dave]

I plan on masturbating on just the nonsense I've read on this thread. If you cannot see the Bannon acted as a suicide bomber much like Scaramucci was a suicide bomber to get rid of Reince Priebus, then you guys just keep playing checker while the Lord God Trump continues to play chess. Kek be praised! You beta male cucks will never fully understand the greatness and brilliance of the all knowing and seeing Trump. Fools! Please continue to underestimate and chase these nonsense stories as He continues to Make America Great Again!!!