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    We're comparing a nation the size of a continent with ones the size of single american states, I believe that through concentraiting on the european models we are unable to assess the issue of compounding costs and complexities that come with administering a state health care on such scale.

    I have heard arguments that the size of america makes having one grand single payer healthcare system impractical and that america should delageate; have each state have a seperate health service. So I find myself wondering how america compares to the other continental sized states.
    So compare it to Australia then, or Canada. They're both continental sized states (if the USA are one) and first world countries.
    Comparing the luxuries and benefits of a first world country to those of a second or third world country tends to always have the first world country come out ahead in some way. That's why it's called first world after all....

    But if you really want India, you could also use Google: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_India

    India does not have a National health insurance or universal health care system for all its citizens which has allowed the private sector to become the dominant healthcare provider in the country.[1]
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    Non-availability of diagnostic tools and increasing reluctance of qualified and experienced healthcare professionals to practice in rural, under-equipped and financially less lucrative rural areas is becoming a big challenge.[21] Rural medical practitioners are highly sought after by residents of rural areas as they are more financially affordable and geographically accessible than practitioners working in the formal public health care sector.[22] But there are incidents were doctors were attacked and even killed in rural India [23] In 2015 the British Medical Journal published a report by Dr Gadre, from Kolkata, exposed the extent of malpractice in the Indian healthcare system. He interviewed 78 doctors and found that kickbacks for referrals, irrational drug prescribing and unnecessary interventions were commonplace.[24]
    Then compare to China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_China
    Healthcare in China consists of both public and private medical institutions and insurance programs. About 95% of the population has at least basic health insurance coverage. Despite this, public health insurance generally only covers about half of medical costs, with the proportion lower for serious or chronic illnesses. Under the "Healthy China 2020" initiative, China is currently undertaking an effort to cut healthcare costs, and the government requires that insurance will cover 70% of costs by 2017.[1][2][2] The Chinese government is working on providing affordable basic healthcare to all residents by 2020.[3]
    https://www.chinabusinessreview.com/...r-has-it-come/
    The pace of China’s healthcare reform has matched the government’s goals so far, indicating that China will likely reach its targets. The quality of medical services remains to be seen, however, and efforts to develop a social healthcare plan are still in progress. China is working toward tough goals, such as improving medical care in rural areas and tackling, with limited funding, entrenched reimbursement plans for insurance, medical devices, and pharmaceuticals.
    So basically India has a private system and it is terrible and China has a mixed system and is currently in the process of improving the public part of it to get closer to the better quality of the private part. What does it tell us? Probably nothing other than that full private is terrible.


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    A quick summation of the CBO's report on TrumpCare:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...insured-236016

    Too bad if you're poor...

    I would anticipate a lot of pushback from people up for midterm elections.
    The Republican fog machine wails that the report does not take into account the "measures yet to come" which will make it all better.
    Possibly true but the CBO evaluates policy enacted, not hypothetical policies that may or may not exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny View Post
    A quick summation of the CBO's report on TrumpCare:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...insured-236016

    Too bad if you're poor...

    I would anticipate a lot of pushback from people up for midterm elections.
    The Republican fog machine wails that the report does not take into account the "measures yet to come" which will make it all better.
    Possibly true but the CBO evaluates policy enacted, not hypothetical policies that may or may not exist.
    The GOP malfed this one up. They all ran against Obamacare, but assumed Hillary would win and they would not have to DO anything because few changes if any would pass by a margin that was veto-proof.

    So they DID nada to get ready for their big policy change effort. Now they are playing catch up and looking a little foolish.
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    So can we talk about how the Trump administration fired a bunch of federal employees and didn't replace them?


    In a few months they will be all like "the EPA doesn't even work" when the one guy left in the office is killed when the lone printer has a malfunction
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    Bit of an Andrew Jackson moment going on. Trump is going to see his patrons in jobs and not holdovers who bear little loyalty for him. Plus, he wants to downsize some of those departments anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Bit of an Andrew Jackson moment going on. Trump is going to see his patrons in jobs and not holdovers who bear little loyalty for him. Plus, he wants to downsize some of those departments anyway.
    Genralissmo Bannon will see to it none of those positions are filled. LOL at some, it's all.

    Also Steve King is going whole hog nativist. I'm watching that very closely
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    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    A nice reminder that while criticizing Dear Leader, it is unproductive to dehumanize those who voted for him:

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...-trump-voters/
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