Trump Thread

[Strike For The South]

Oh Sean.

Tillersons odds this week in Russia
2-1 remove Assad and remove Russian sanctions
10-1 status quo and a bunch of hot air about "open communication"
15-1 total breakdown, further entrenchment of ideas
25-1 polonium sandwhich.

[Brenus]

Oh Sean.
Tillersons odds this week in Russia
25-1 polonium sandwhich.

Not a chance. More like him and Putin is sure that no one will listen the USA and allies have to say...

[Greyblades]

Sean spicer denys the holocaust, even though it's obvious he was referring to hitler's reluctance to use poison gas on the battlefield and he mentions the holocaust in the same speech.

Sean spicer is set upon by journalists out for blood, part 182: this time he caves.

Trump needs to relieve this guy, he's clearly traumatized. Find someone who is better suited to surviving the shark tank.



In before husar screeches "sauron of akkad! Uh muh Gawd!"

Trump briefly looks "Presidential" and "strong" and it is something he can do to stand up to Russia that is superficially good but meaningless.

I disagree this is a big loud statement to the world that the Obama era's constant retreat is over and those small nations that provoke the USA are no longer safe. To have little ultimate impact on the syrian war effort is in america's favour as it is not to thier benefit for assad to lose, but having assad run screaming to putin to beg for more russian entanglement is. It wil be interesting to see how trump tries to capitalize on this shock to the system.

[rory_20_uk]

I disagree this is a big loud statement to the world that the Obama era's constant retreat is over and those small nations that provoke the USA are no longer safe. To have little ultimate impact on the syrian war effort is in america's favour as it is not to thier benefit for assad to lose, but having assad run screaming to putin to beg for more russian entanglement is. It wil be interesting to see how trump tries to capitalize on this shock to the system.

Yet Trump was saying the exact opposite as of a few days ago and throughout the campaign about how he was going to get the USA out of NATO / the Middle East and so on.

Obama's "retreat" included attacks in Lybia, and sending black hawks into Pakistan on an illegal assassination mission.

Trump sent in a small attack that managed to damage one of the 22 airbases in Syria. And then... silence. As there is no real strategy.

Russian entanglement? Apart from the planes, helicopters and ships? Oh I see - it is a ploy to cunningly get Russia to take control of the assets they want and now seem to be helping against an illegal act by the USA. That is such a cunning plan...

[Greyblades]

Yet Trump was saying the exact opposite as of a few days ago and throughout the campaign about how he was going to get the USA out of NATO / the Middle East and so on.

Which is why this was a strike and not an invasion. A smack on the jaw to dispell the idea that US will ignore the use of chemical weapons, without having to set foot in the quagmire.

Obama's "retreat" included attacks in Lybia, and sending black hawks into Pakistan on an illegal assassination mission.

Obama's retreat was talking tough on chemical weapons and then doing nothing when ghouta was gassed. It compromised america's credibility.

Russian entanglement? Apart from the planes, helicopters and ships? Oh I see - it is a ploy to cunningly get Russia to take control of the assets they want and now seem to be helping against an illegal act by the USA. That is such a cunning plan...

Planes, helicopters and ships, but no tanks or front line infantry. Russia like us doesnt want syria to turn into another afghanistan and is using Assad's men as a proxy while supporting them from a point of relative safety.

Putin does not want to have to invade properly and every strike against assad makes it more likely he will have to eventually if he wants to secure his naval bases.

[rory_20_uk]

Which is why this was a strike and not an invasion. A smack on the jaw to dispell the idea that US will ignore the use of chemical weapons without setting a foot into the quagmire.

Obama's retreat was talking tough on chemical weapons and then doing nothing when ghouta was gassed. It compromised america's credibility.

Planes, helicopters and ships, but no tanks or front line infantry. Russia like us doesnt want syria to turn into another afghanistan and is using Assad's men as a proxy while supporting them from a point of relative safety.

Putin does not want to have to invade properly and every strike against assad makes it more likely he will have to if he wants to secure his naval bases.

I do find it odd how the red line is one method of indiscriminate killing.

Smack to the jaw? Making Assad closer to Iran and Russia is smacking who in the jaw? Assad was killing civilians within a day or so - but thank goodness with conventional munitions. Surely Vietnam showed if nothing else that dropping vast amounts of ordinance by itself doesn't win a war. Yes, the bombs these days are more powerful and targeted, but so few in number.

Obama shouldn't have mentioned red lines as he was outplayed by Russia.

Troops on the ground are courtesy of Assad, Iran and Hezbollah. They are doing a decent job of crushing the rebels in all the main centres whilst Russia bombs any things that are too tough. Given they have few qualms about overuse of force it'll probably continue to work.

A few cruise missiles made a very small local difference tactically - planes now have to use other bases until they rebuild. Russia might even give some some army surplus to help get it all up and running.

If Russia has troops in the ports they want, why need they go further? America has a base in Cuba that the locals didn't allow them to have.

[Greyblades]

I do find it odd how the red line is one method of indiscriminate killing.

Smack to the jaw? Making Assad closer to Iran and Russia is smacking who in the jaw? Assad was killing civilians within a day or so - but thank goodness with conventional munitions. Surely Vietnam showed if nothing else that dropping vast amounts of ordinance by itself doesn't win a war. Yes, the bombs these days are more powerful and targeted, but so few in number.

I'm not going to talk the morality of being selective in which methods of killing is allowed; it's rather unimportant, the point is to show that america's promises and threats are worth something again.

Assad being driven closer to the russians and iran is also unimportant as it's too late for that; he's there already, bridge burned.

Obama shouldn't have mentioned red lines as he was outplayed by Russia.

Agreed.

Troops on the ground are courtesy of Assad, Iran and Hezbollah. They are doing a decent job of crushing the rebels in all the main centres whilst Russia bombs any things that are too tough. Given they have few qualms about overuse of force it'll probably continue to work.

A few cruise missiles made a very small local difference tactically - planes now have to use other bases until they rebuild. Russia might even give some some army surplus to help get it all up and running.

Which is good, the US doesnt want another somalia and the rebels are long past the point of being desireable puppets.

If Russia has troops in the ports they want, why need they go further? America has a base in Cuba that the locals didn't allow them to have.

They need to go further because the rebels wont let him keep the bases, Russia would have to either keep fighting off attempts to dislodge them for decades to come, or set up another proxy, in which case they might as well have kept assad.

[Husar]

Sean spicer is set upon by journalists out for blood, part 182: this time he caves.

Trump needs to relieve this guy, he's clearly traumatized. Find someone who is better suited to surviving the shark tank.

Fascist alt-right, anti-press propaganda garbage from Trumpblades! Uh muh guhd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111

Sean Spicer says stupid things all the time and this wasn't even an exception since the point he did want to make was just as idiotic as any possible misinterpretation. Cry me a blathering, bloody river for cheeese sake!!!!!!!!!11111111111111

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39585029

Trump now backs NATO - against "Terrorists" rather than Russia.

Uh huh.