Trump Thread

**Sarmatian** · 05-23-2017, 13:53

Watching the news coverage of the Russia/Flynn/Comey scandal, I have a feeling that Trump is actually going to come out of this stronger than he was.

Flynn is the only real issue, but as he was fired, it's hardly an impeachable offense, and even that is a stretch. The idea that Trump is a Russian puppet is ludicrous and firing Comey is well within his authority, whether people agree with it or not.

He will then appear as a man who survived the "fake media" witch hunt. And the liberal media, that is actually guilty of getting on the bandwagon of comedy shows and viral social network stories will need to take a long, hard look in the mirror. They helped him win the presidency and now they're gonna help him solidify his position. It's all about ratings and clicks, who cares that there's a spoiled brat in the Oval Office.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 05-23-2017, 19:09

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Watching the news coverage of the Russia/Flynn/Comey scandal, I have a feeling that Trump is actually going to come out of this stronger than he was.

Flynn is the only real issue, but as he was fired, it's hardly an impeachable offense, and even that is a stretch. The idea that Trump is a Russian puppet is ludicrous and firing Comey is well within his authority, whether people agree with it or not.

He will then appear as a man who survived the "fake media" witch hunt. And the liberal media, that is actually guilty of getting on the bandwagon of comedy shows and viral social network stories will need to take a long, hard look in the mirror. They helped him win the presidency and now they're gonna help him solidify his position. It's all about ratings and clicks, who cares that there's a spoiled brat in the Oval Office.

At 70, the label "brat" really doesn't apply anymore. Childish or Child-like behaviors, perhaps...

Agree with you on the impeachment effort fizzle. Somewhat to mostly agree on the media witch hunt stuff creating a "boomerang" of support among his core supporters. However, his ability to get meaningful legislation through is and will likely remain limited. This will undercut his ability to fulfill promises to his core support group. Since he was elected on the basis of doing those thing despite Washington intransigence, when he has to face his votes and note that he was not able to overcome that intransigence, he will inevitably lose some of that thin edge of support that elected him.

**Pannonian** · 05-23-2017, 19:21

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

At 70, the label "brat" really doesn't apply anymore. Childish or Child-like behaviors, perhaps...

Agree with you on the impeachment effort fizzle. Somewhat to mostly agree on the media witch hunt stuff creating a "boomerang" of support among his core supporters. However, his ability to get meaningful legislation through is and will likely remain limited. This will undercut his ability to fulfill promises to his core support group. Since he was elected on the basis of doing those thing despite Washington intransigence, when he has to face his votes and note that he was not able to overcome that intransigence, he will inevitably lose some of that thin edge of support that elected him.

Why is ability to pass legislation limited when his party rules all three branches of government?

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-23-2017, 22:22

Originally Posted by Pannonian

Why is ability to pass legislation limited when his party rules all three branches of government?

Well, because he's secretly a Democrat stalking horse designed to get Clinton elected, remember?

That went well.

**Beskar** · 05-23-2017, 22:25

Originally Posted by Pannonian

Why is ability to pass legislation limited when his party rules all three branches of government?

If I remember correctly, Obama was attacked repeatedly for this when he had a Democrat majority due to the "Blue Dogs".

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 05-24-2017, 02:42

Originally Posted by Pannonian

Why is ability to pass legislation limited when his party rules all three branches of government?

Remember, our "parties" have less cohesiveness then yours by a good bit and individual pols routinely ignore the party platform if it suits their political agenda. This is more true of the current GOP than of the Dems.

The "establishment" GOP has only moderately less use than mainline Dems for Trump. They do not want the emphatic changes that Trump seeks, especially on the border and with international trade.

**HopAlongBunny** · 05-24-2017, 14:10

I think right now the GOP appreciates the cover Trump gives them.
They can finesse it so that the draconian budget proposal should allow them to pass something more moderate and appear in command. How moderate? Absent Democratic support they will likely have to mollify the Freedom Caucus.
Some form of tax breaks seem to be a given.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 05-24-2017, 17:22

Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny

I think right now the GOP appreciates the cover Trump gives them.
They can finesse it so that the draconian budget proposal should allow them to pass something more moderate and appear in command. How moderate? Absent Democratic support they will likely have to mollify the Freedom Caucus.
Some form of tax breaks seem to be a given.

Some form of tax break or reorganization was more or less ubiquitous among GOP campaigners. And YES, all such presidential budget proposals are no more than an opening bid. Of course, as with most government budgets I expect, the whole thing is designed around distributive bargaining and is horribly short-sighted.