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    Enforcement on businesses that use illegals. They are undercutting legal workers and they are dodging employment taxes. Enforce that and the problem sorts itself out. Thing is, both parties have interests that don't want to see that...
    As I think about it, there are several problems with this idea.

    Past the geographic dispersion of unauthorized residents they are fairly diversified throughout the labor force. Most of these are all manner of unskilled positions, but hundreds of thousands do skilled or white-collar work. Enforcement mechanism would presumably be onerously extensive to have much effect.

    The majority of the aliens are thought to have been residents of the US for at least 10 years, with almost all having spent years in the country. To the extent that there is a crackdown on 'johns', adaptation on both ends may encourage a large proportion of the unauthorized residents to remain. Some may leave the workforce entirely and pool resources with working family or community members, especially those with citizenship/legal residence or other authorization to work; those who end up like this act as an economic drain.

    Economic consequences to either the departure or the jobless residence of aliens will be severe. For non-capital intensive work, likely you see employers simply downsizing, exiting their sector/industry, or quitting altogether. As aggregate demand decreases and jobs are eliminated, putative compensatory upward pressure on citizen labor's wages will not materialize. In the good cases we should expect offshoring/outsourcing, or accelerated automation, rather than replacement with legal labor. In the worst cases, unskilled labor will no longer be buoyed by a wage/conditions floor in the form of a separate labor class, and will see their own wages and standards decline as employers tighten their belts by passing increased costs on to legal labor.


    Let me clarify that I meant my previous post with respect to discouraging new crossings or new attempts to cross; I don't consider mass reductions (direct or induced) of the pre-existing unauthorized population to be a viable option. SF or drone, can you think of policy that would discourage new crossings or new attempts to cross in the face of or to a greater extent than global economic trends?

    The handicap is, as always, no mass killings at the border, and no indirect dis-incentivization through denial of public services to pre-existing aliens ("it is not sufficient justification that a law saves money").
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    Offer illegals amnesty for reporting exploitative business practices such as under cutting minimum wage and other standards. Bring in laws tackling modern slavery with harsh disincentives for businesses to consider doing them. Those measures would quickly find the system correcting itself rather quickly.
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    Offer illegals amnesty for reporting exploitative business practices such as under cutting minimum wage and other standards. Bring in laws tackling modern slavery with harsh disincentives for businesses to consider doing them. Those measures would quickly find the system correcting itself rather quickly.
    I do not like any sort of informer rewards system....though I must say this has much more of an element of justice to it than most such suggestions.
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    WoooHoooo!
    A better climate deal for America! Trump is on it!

    In what has become a familiar refrain: Nice idea...just who is going to develop this policy? who is going to shop it around the other signatories to the original deal? who has the authority to make it happen?
    With staffing/funding cut at State and almost every dep't involved with climate, it appears that this initiative(?) may never rise beyong being a pipe dream

    http://www.motherjones.com/environme...-climate-deal/

    In other news
    Trump issues Travel Ban 3.0:

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...te-travel-ban/

    Some justifications for this are not disclosed; national security and all that; it includes states without a Muslim majority (N.Korea for example) and looks like its headed straight to court
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    WoooHoooo!
    A better climate deal for America! Trump is on it!

    In what has become a familiar refrain: Nice idea...just who is going to develop this policy? who is going to shop it around the other signatories to the original deal? who has the authority to make it happen?
    With staffing/funding cut at State and almost every dep't involved with climate, it appears that this initiative(?) may never rise beyong being a pipe dream

    http://www.motherjones.com/environme...-climate-deal/

    In other news
    Trump issues Travel Ban 3.0:

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...te-travel-ban/

    Some justifications for this are not disclosed; national security and all that; it includes states without a Muslim majority (N.Korea for example) and looks like its headed straight to court
    It is certainly going to court. It is being labeled a muslim ban with obfuscation. It will be tied up in court for months before implementation if it is implemented at all.

    American will be among the leaders in combatting global warming regardless of our political leadership. Most US citizens believe warming to be real and think that efforts to combat it are worthwhile. Even most of the nay-sayers have little grief with reducing reliance on fossil fuels and reducing air pollution. The result is a market that is encouraging the development of more 'green' technologies. Link
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    I was just looking for the Graham-Cassidy bill out of curiosity when I found this one under related bills:

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...bill/1150/text

    Tanning Tax Repeal Act of 2017
    Looks like some Republicans are worried about the continuity of the president's orangeness.


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    Better deals are popping up everywhere!
    Despite little evidence but much innuendo, Trump wishes to cancel the Iran deal for non-compliance.
    So without evidence, without consultation and pretty much without a clue, Trump is making mouth sounds about ditching the deal:

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/26/...ter-iran-deal/

    Rest assured, this will be handled by the best people
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