Trump Thread

[Hooahguy]

Rumor is Trump will fire Mueller in the coming week or so.

Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) said Friday that "rumors" on Capitol Hill suggest President Trump could fire special counsel Robert Mueller before Christmas, after Congress leaves Washington for the winter recess.

“The rumor on the Hill when I left yesterday was that the president was going to make a significant speech at the end of next week. And on Dec. 22, when we are out of D.C., he was going to fire Robert Mueller," Speier told California's KQED News.

Speier, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said that Trump was trying to shut down the committee's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, pointing to the lack of interviews scheduled for the new year.

If the rumor is true, I would expect a furor from the left about obstruction of justice on the part of Trump. Republicans will probably make excuses for it, or feign outrage and then do nothing. There are massive protests already being planned though by activists. I would expect a full blown crisis from this event, should it occur.

[HopAlongBunny]

De-legitimizing the present is necessary to set the future.
The rule of law; its already a tiered system, why not make it official?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Er....this rumor is trying to make Trump sound like Nixon up to and including a rumored Archibald Cox parallel....this isn't even very original as a rumor concept.

[Hooahguy]

Er....this rumor is trying to make Trump sound like Nixon up to and including a rumored Archibald Cox parallel....this isn't even very original as a rumor concept.

Well considering how the Nixon thing went down, can you blame Democrats for drawing parallels? Another Saturday Night Massacre would be a field day for opponents of the administration, and force the hand of the GOP to either recognize the obstruction of justice or ignore it and put more fuel on the fire for the 2018 and 2020 elections. After the results of the special election in Alabama, things are trending blue and most people know it.

[HopAlongBunny]

Rumor or "trial balloon?"
It's not unusual to release a possibly controversial idea as a rumor just to see what reaction it gets.
Is that the case in this instance? No idea.
Fact is though, some commentators are looking at the consequences if the rumor were to become reality.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/12/11/...tional-crisis/

That it has to be considered is mind boggling; no this not Chile, Nicaragua, Egypt or Syria we are talking about, this is the U.S.

Taking a different tack:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/1...094237525.html

I think this is well on the way to: just throw as much crap as you can at the wall, run with anything that sticks.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Well considering how the Nixon thing went down, can you blame Democrats for drawing parallels? Another Saturday Night Massacre would be a field day for opponents of the administration, and force the hand of the GOP to either recognize the obstruction of justice or ignore it and put more fuel on the fire for the 2018 and 2020 elections. After the results of the special election in Alabama, things are trending blue and most people know it.

H'guy:

My avidly left-wing family and friends (I have a fair number of such, after all I work in academe) would very much want to see/hope to see/expect to see just that from Trump. This is because they have already judged him as guilty since they cannot accept that enough of the American people in the right combination of states would actually vote for this asshat.

This kind of rumor reflects their pre-judgement more than it does any known fact or evidentiary train leading to the Oval. They want the parallel to be true and they're salivating at the thought. They want this 'conspiracy' to be true with the fervor of a Rosswell X-files tinfoil hatter.



I myself fall back on Hanlon's Razor and find it a powerful tool in explaining the Trump administration's efforts.


And the Dems truly have no one to blame but themselves. They managed to run a woman who is arguably the ONLY candidate who turned voters across the political spectrum off enough so as to allow Trump's coalition of the disgruntled to eke out an EC win.

[Montmorency]

H'guy:

My avidly left-wing family and friends (I have a fair number of such, after all I work in academe) would very much want to see/hope to see/expect to see just that from Trump. This is because they have already judged him as guilty since they cannot accept that enough of the American people in the right combination of states would actually vote for this asshat.

This kind of rumor reflects their pre-judgement more than it does any known fact or evidentiary train leading to the Oval. They want the parallel to be true and they're salivating at the thought. They want this 'conspiracy' to be true with the fervor of a Rosswell X-files tinfoil hatter.



I myself fall back on Hanlon's Razor and find it a powerful tool in explaining the Trump administration's efforts.


And the Dems truly have no one to blame but themselves. They managed to run a woman who is arguably the ONLY candidate who turned voters across the political spectrum off enough so as to allow Trump's coalition of the disgruntled to eke out an EC win.

The only people to blame are the Trump voters. It's as simple as that.

Fox News:

There is a cleansing needed in the FBI and the Department of Justice. It needs to be cleansed of individuals who should not just be fired, but who need to be taken out in handcuffs.

Do these unconscionable miscreants realize what they're doing? In the normal course of history their shenanigans would be liable to get them lined up against a wall - at best.

[Hooahguy]

H'guy:

My avidly left-wing family and friends (I have a fair number of such, after all I work in academe) would very much want to see/hope to see/expect to see just that from Trump. This is because they have already judged him as guilty since they cannot accept that enough of the American people in the right combination of states would actually vote for this asshat.

This kind of rumor reflects their pre-judgement more than it does any known fact or evidentiary train leading to the Oval. They want the parallel to be true and they're salivating at the thought. They want this 'conspiracy' to be true with the fervor of a Rosswell X-files tinfoil hatter.

Couldnt you say the exact same thing about Republicans about Clinton with Benghazi and the emails and whatnot? Chanting "lock her up" isnt reflecting pre-judgement?

[Montmorency]

Couldnt you say the exact same thing about Republicans about Clinton with Benghazi and the emails and whatnot?

Don't fall into the whataboutist cliche, it muddles what's going on around us.

Either there are crimes, or there are not. Either the Republican Party is a legitimate political organization, or it is a criminal front. Either we are a Republic, or a petty despotism.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Couldnt you say the exact same thing about Republicans about Clinton with Benghazi and the emails and whatnot? Chanting "lock her up" isnt reflecting pre-judgement?

Of course you could. If you haven't already guessed from my references to "asshat-in-chief" thus far on divers threads, I am NOT a Trump fanboy. There very much IS a notable slice of the Trump/GOP crowd that is as unthinkingly ant-left as any frustrated communard hanging around the DNC with their 'we-want-Bernie' sign is anti-right.

I am simply, and I think consistently, noting that all of the vitriol and hyperbole dueling isn't substance. If there is a substantive connection between Trump and criminal abuse of the political system during, or obstruction of justice after the election, it eventually will out. Until such time, all of this is just persiflage.