Trump Thread

[Husar]

It would make me happy if people in this forum didnt keep driving away dissenting voices.

Indeed, all the left-leaning members who were driven away by the right wing members so that every thread on refugees is now dominated by people talking about how their race ideologies explain why we need ethnic separation. The exodus of left-wing posters is really unbearable, which is why I may have become less nice in my replies. It just costs too much time to explain the same things to three people because they all want their own debate with me and I'm the only communist who still bothers replying in order to prevent the forum from looking like a racist circlejerk.

While it certainly doesnt help that the quality of arguments have gone down hill, if intelligence were enough to kill a board this would have been a ghost town years ago. I mean hiding behind another poster and relying on a perception majority agreement to persuade your opponent, it doesnt exactly engender confidence.

I'm not hiding behind Spmetla, what quality would you gain by reading his exact argument again from me?
Or do I have to find a new bogus argument just to be different?

Since then the tone on this board has gone sour, beyond the customary condescention I have encounterd an increasing number of incidents where disagreement has been treated with hostilty and intolerance, where once at worst we attacked eachother's intelliegence our character has come on the firing line; morality, integrety, sanity.

Indeed, a tragedy how some posters thought belittling others somehow invalidates arguments. Morality is a perfectly fine subject of debate though IMO. If your argument is immoral, I'm going to point that out. If you want a nicer debate, morality is the basis, otherwise it could become hard to define a nicer debate in the first place. If my morality were off, I might think insulting your intelligence is the only moral thing to do since you deserve it.

Attacks not to discredit bad ideas but to demonize for wrongthink. This thread is the worst of it because not only are the tensions high but one side is grossly overrepresented so the cycle of ideological reenforcement has set in such that even our best are beginning to indulge in dehumanizing thier opposition.

Given how many of this board's active members are on the "right" side of politics, the overrepresentation of anti- Trump rhetoric in this thread might just be a hint at how bad he really is, when even a lot of the people you'd expect to support him think he's acting like a buffoon in most of what he does. The overrepresentation of one side in a single thread does not necessarily hint at there being something wrong with the discussion, it might just hint at some kind of bi-partisan consensus. Even though Seamus tries to see the good in Trump, I don't think he's a fan. And when you give your opponents very human traits to show their flaws, it's not dehumanizing. I'm thinking of the dementia talk here for example. On the other hand, the refugee threads with people basically trying to explain to me how refugees were suppeosedly genetically on a lower level than us European Humans....

The taboo that kept this place civil has been broken by those whose "teams" lost out in 2016 and the resulting downgrade in standards is driving away members and frankly the only think keeping me here has been people like seamus who still is somehow able to refrain from sinking into the depths as I frequently have despite recieving similar provocation.

This is demonstrably false as I had several ugly fallouts in refugee threads in 2015 already. And they weren't coming from the side that lost in 2016...

My point is I wish I was paid by the goddamn russians as it would give me a satisfactory reason for why I keep finding myself drifting back here!

This is a tough one. I could now try to drive you off in a selfless effort to increase your happiness. But it would make your point about driving people away true...
Or I could be really nice to you to make you stay here, but actually condemn you to continued misery...
Do you see how the actual result or the public image would always be contrary to the intention?

As for your stance on Trump, your entire argument is based on him being a hidden genius who is actually well-meaning, like a positive conspiracy theory. If that seems plausible to you, then you also have to believe the reports that Kim Jong Un is actually trying to open up North Korea, but has to do the murders and stuff because he is struggling against the NK Deep State. It's interesting how this benefit of the doubt seems to apply to Trump but not to Kim Jong Un. Can the noble Swiss have possibly not raised him well?

And how do you explain that Trump wants to make coal great again when even coal mine owners think it's not going to create any job growth anymore? How is he the peoples' candidate when he placed 4 or more Goldman Sachs people and many, many millionaires and billionaires in his government after blasting Clinton for being too close to Wall Street? How is the tax reform good for workers? Do you still believe in trickle down economics?