Trump Thread

[Beskar]

War between Russia and China would be interesting (but very unwanted). Especially as the Narrative puts Russia and China on loosely partnership basis.

Such a loss for Russia in losing Siberia could see them joining the European Union too.

[Fragony]

The EU is already dead they are just a bit slow-thinking in that. War over territories between Russia and China will come, how it will turn out I don't know

[rory_20_uk]

War between Russia and China would be interesting (but very unwanted). Especially as the Narrative puts Russia and China on loosely partnership basis.

Such a loss for Russia in losing Siberia could see them joining the European Union too.

Two large, autocratic, nuclear-armed powers going at it? Interesting is a word I would use if I was living on a self-sustaining colony on the Moon / Mars.

After loosing 3/4 of their area I don't envisage the rump Muscovy would then morph in to a Western facing democracy and join the EU.

[ConjurerDragon]

Two large, autocratic, nuclear-armed powers going at it? Interesting is a word I would use if I was living on a self-sustaining colony on the Moon / Mars.

They had border disputes several times already, e.g.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-S...order_conflict
and they solved them more or less peacefully with the Soviets conceding seemingly minor patches of land

After loosing 3/4 of their area I don't envisage the rump Muscovy would then morph in to a Western facing democracy and join the EU.

The Soviets already lost a large part of their colonial empire but I don’t think that China would be out for the whole of Siberia. In my opinion chinese politics are really patient, planning not for the next election period of 4 years but for the next decades, slowly grinding away resistance. I mean, Tibet, Hongkong, Macao, the minor areas ceded by the USSR...

Currently the Chinese seem to be occupied trying to get full control of the South China Sea with the Spratley islands but once they look towards Russia my guess would be that at first they do their usual request of returning areas that once belonged to the Quing Empire and only were lost due to "unequal treaties".


And if they do my guess would be that shortly before they have some friendly negotiations with Japan to ensure them that they get the southern Kuriles back from Russia if they support China diplomatically.

[Beskar]

Two large, autocratic, nuclear-armed powers going at it? Interesting is a word I would use if I was living on a self-sustaining colony on the Moon / Mars.

Hence the "very unwanted" part! I was kind of hoping of perhaps visiting China this year too for some sightseeing...

After loosing 3/4 of their area I don't envisage the rump Muscovy would then morph in to a Western facing democracy and join the EU.

It really depends on the aftermath. If China gobbled up all that territory successfully, it would become a second cold war. Russia would either become a Chinese proxy-state, or it would join Europe Union/Nato, or it would become a border-state. The Russian proxy-state scenario would be more likely if there was deepening of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation rather than a war between the two nations.