Trump Thread

[Shaka_Khan]

So, how all these Trump-haters comment on the latest brilliant move in Donald's diplomacy, the meeting of Prince Charming with Kim?

I think even Trump doesn't know what Trump himself will eventually do.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I think even Trump doesn't know what Trump himself will eventually do.

I used to bemoan Obama's reactive approach to foreign policy.

The current occupant is reactive on all fronts and seemingly affected with ADD.

[HopAlongBunny]

Well that makes sense.
The best way to get along in the world is to kick all your allies in the nuts:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/...134948849.html

Canada, the EU, Japan...etc. all seem content to ready appeals to the WTO and prepare retaliatory tariffs:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trum...line-1.4685242

Right now it's a "paper war"; nothing has been implemented...yet. It all seems to rest on the first mover.

[Crandar]

I think even Trump doesn't know what Trump himself will eventually do.

The funny thing is that his most fanatic supporters are proud of it. They will quote a WWII general and say that unpredictability is a great tactic, because your enemy will never anticipate your next move. 3d chess and all that...

[Montmorency]

The funny thing is that his most fanatic supporters are proud of it. They will quote a WWII general and say that unpredictability is a great tactic, because your enemy will never anticipate your next move. 3d chess and all that...

Do you get exposure from Trump fans in Greece, or direct to the source?

[Crandar]

Do you get exposure from Trump fans in Greece, or direct to the source?

There aren't that many in Greece. We prefer orthodox strongmen like Putin. My experience comes from the Internet, since 2016, all three sites I frequent [Syrian Civil War, Total War gaming (I don't mean the .org) and funny images] have been polluted by die-hard white supremacists, with a desperate need to spam their dogma in the most irrelevant place. This is the only place without anyone screaming about how every white man is going to be castrated by Muslim feminists.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The funny thing is that his most fanatic supporters are proud of it. They will quote a WWII general and say that unpredictability is a great tactic, because your enemy will never anticipate your next move. 3d chess and all that...

His core supporters like it a lot. They would prefer a politician who told her/his opponent to go fuck themselves. They do not want ANYTHING that seems like 'politics as usual.' They like hardball tactics in negotiation. They want people they view as enemies treated as such. Many of them live, intellectually, in very black/white worlds.

As Monty and others have suggested before this, the Trump phenomenon is, in many ways, a product of the political 'gaming' that has characterized our system for half a century or more.


I wonder how long it will be before they realize that Trump, on any number of levels, is gaming them...

[Gilrandir]

The funny thing is that his most fanatic supporters are proud of it. They will quote a WWII general and say that unpredictability is a great tactic, because your enemy will never anticipate your next move. 3d chess and all that...

So Trump would make a superb war general? I believe there are plenty of conflicts around the world where the US takes part. Sending him to the front line would be an option. He could succeed in getting himself killed quickly.

[Shaka_Khan]

[Strike For The South]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/04/trum...on-myself.html

Trump thinks he can pardon himself. That might actually be the tipping point, finally, probably not though.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/04/trum...on-myself.html

Trump thinks he can pardon himself. That might actually be the tipping point, finally, probably not though.

Constitutionally, I believe he does have that right. If he does it before Halloween of the year preceding the inauguration of he predecessor, that would get him impeached and removed from office. No further legal action would be possible, but that would indeed get him tossed I believe.

[Montmorency]

Constitutionally, I believe he does have that right. If he does it before Halloween of the year preceding the inauguration of he predecessor, that would get him impeached and removed from office. No further legal action would be possible, but that would indeed get him tossed I believe.

It's debatable, but that's a problem in itself. A cleverer tyrant than Trump could wield it as a loophole in attaining autocracy, and dare the rest of the government to call their bluff.


Edit: From Bunny's linked article:

St. Clair, Nixon’s lawyer, once said: “The president wants me to argue that he is as powerful a monarch as Louis XIV, only four years at a time, and is not subject to the processes of any court in the land except the court of impeachment.”

[HopAlongBunny]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/04/trum...on-myself.html

Trump thinks he can pardon himself. That might actually be the tipping point, finally, probably not though.

He might be right
The problem will end up in the courts; will they halt or support the idea?; if it gets bounced to Congress they could decide "their" president [B]is[B] above the law.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-no...errick-garland

The problem with the systems we make is they are human, all too human

[Hooahguy]

He might be right
The problem will end up in the courts; will they halt or support the idea?; if it gets bounced to Congress they could decide "their" president [B]is[B] above the law.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-no...errick-garland

The problem with the systems we make is they are human, all too human

I doubt that case would gain much traction:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

If it did come down to the Supreme Court on whether or not a president can pardon himself, and god forbid they found in favor of Trump, the US governmental system as we know it is over.