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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    She's a call girl on retainer. She sold out for as much as she could get. That is her choice - but I've no sympathy since if she wants she's free to divorce him... I assume the terms of the pre-nup mean she stands to loose too much.

    I am not quite so emotionally cynical as to assume any marriage is a form of prostitution (which is possible inductive extrapolation of your statement).

    Her choice to remain with him is, as you note, her choice.

    I do not know the tenor of their relationship with one another, or what guidelines they have worked out between and for themselves. Their union, their choice. Not my concern.
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    A great essay comparing the Trump worldview to the movie Goodfellas. I urge you to read it :

    The most interesting connection between Goodfellas and Trump isn’t that “Trump behaves like a mafia don.” It’s that the President thinks that being a mafia don is the best possible life. And that is desperately sad.
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    Praising its “stellar cast,” Mr. Trump has referred to the 1990 film as “great entertainment.” — CBS News

    Goodfellas is the Rosetta Stone for the Trump Presidency (some spoilers ahead). My brother (we’ll call him N.) and I were watching the heartwarming, blood-splattered classic over Thanksgiving. In the second half, Henry Hill is rolling in money from his Pittsburgh coke connection. Henry’s wife Karen is flaunting their regained wealth to Morrie and Belle. Karen pushes a button on a remote control. A pair of doors swing open, revealing the most garish home entertainment center this side of a Dubai strip club. It’s Scorsese taking a cold-eyed look at Seventies mob taste. My brother and I started laughing. N. said, “This is what Trump thinks is classy.” And that’s the key to our glorious President: he thinks he’s in this story.

    I’m not the first to note parallels between Scorsese’s 1990 crime epic and Trump. Back in August, the New York Times noted:

    “When I first heard that Trump said to Comey, ‘Let this go,’ it just rang such a bell with me,” said Nicholas Pileggi, an author who has chronicled the Mafia in books and films like “Goodfellas” and “Casino.” ... Mr. Pileggi traced the president’s language to the Madison Club, a Democratic Party machine in Brooklyn that helped his father, Fred Trump, win his first real estate deals in the 1930s. ... Mr. Trump honed his vocabulary over decades through his association with the lawyer Roy Cohn, who besides working for Senator Joseph McCarthy also represented Mafia bosses like Mr. Gotti, Tony Salerno and Carmine Galante.

    But these are surface comparisons, and miss the point. The most interesting connection between Goodfellas and Trump isn’t that “Trump behaves like a mafia don.” It’s that the President thinks that being a mafia don is the best possible life. And that is desperately sad.

    Henry begins the film by telling us, “As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster. To me, being a gangster was better than being President of the United States.” Trump is what happens when you try to have it both ways.
    With the possible exception of Fight Club, Goodfellas is the most misinterpreted movie in history. Let me clarify. If you watched Goodfellas, and took away “They’ve got it made,” if you watched The Sopranos and thought “Man, Tony’s got it figured out”—or if you watched Breaking Bad and said “Wow, Walter has grown into a hero”—then, my friend, have I got tough news for you.

    Goodfellas is one long gag on the audience—You really think the mob is about glamour and loyalty? Check these guys out! Trump is the kind of man who takes a joke literally. It’s almost as if the movie was designed to appeal to him. The story of Henry Hill is essentially a narrative about half-witted narcissistic sociopaths with weird hangups … who take themselves and “respect” incredibly seriously. Paulie’s weirdness about using the phone could be a Trump peccadillo. Trump’s dearest associates are either people who believe this, or are criminal grifters. Both of these types appear in Goodfellas.

    Thirty years after its release, Goodfellas shadows over all crime fiction. Scorsese’s masterpiece has perfect atmosphere. There are details about postwar Mafia culture that only close-hand observers would know. The film seems inexpensive but never cheap. As Bill Burr once said, every scene’s a closer.


    And Goodfellas illustrates the squalor of Henry’s world. And Trump’s.

    As someone once said, Trump is a dumb man’s idea of a smart rich man. But we forget just how dumb that idea is. I mean, here’s a guy in big awkward suits, surrounded by dopey cronies, who lives in a golden penthouse, uses words like “rats,” and chooses to spend his time with thick-necked real estate brokers in Mar-a-Lago.
    Goodfellas nailed Trump’s type down to a T. Even if you believe wealth and power and strength are inherently admirable (they’re not), Goodfellas portrays the cheapest, shoddiest versions of those glories—the Trumpian versions, as it were.

    During my twentieth time watching it, I was reminded of how weird and broken the characters are, and honestly how little they settle for. Their idea of money is a couple of free hundreds. Their idea of masculinity is bullying their friends. And their idea of power is—what, not getting bothered by the cops and scoring a seat at the Copa?
    Trump: A man whose idea of power is large crowds. A man whose loyalty goes one way. A man who forgoes clever lying for easily disproven brags. A thin-skinned man who gives into performative public explosions instead of building power wisely. A profoundly dull, needy, unimaginative man, easily provoked and easily upset.
    The underworld of Henry Hill seems so shabby once you’ve read about people with real wealth and real power and real strength. Selling your soul is bad enough, but doing it for so little is doubly humiliating. In the play A Man For All Seasons, Thomas More says: “Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world… but for Wales?”

    Another point that Goodfellas is very clear about: everyone here is deluded. Just as Trump is deluded. Every claim Henry makes for The Life is disproven in the course of the film. The whole movie is one long, extended exercise in How Men Miss The Point. And Henry, from the first to the last, takes the wrong lesson. Much as Trump does. That’s the tragic thing about nihilists. They sacrifice so much just to believe in nothing. And nothing is what they get.

    We’re told again and again in the film how much loyalty matters. But loyalty doesn’t matter. Not in this film, and not to Trump. The respect economy is make believe. The point of Goodfellas is that these are literally not “good fellas.” Organized crime is a business pretending to be a family. Goodfellas is a story about false laughter, false camaraderie, false everything. These are predators pretending to be blood brothers. That’s why so much of the male friendship in the movie has this bizarre, edgy dream logic to it. These are paranoid, insecure, desperate losers clawing at each other to stay afloat. Human feeling is alien to them, as it is to Trump.

    Goodfellas feeds into the The Sopranos, and The Sopranos feeds into Trump. As one Reddit user put it, Tony Soprano’s descent into dark misanthropy—his alienation of everyone in his life—is the path of the MAGA suburban dad. Tony is unable to stop being selfish, or to tell himself the truth. He couldn’t face his own choices, any more than Henry or Karen could. That’s Trump’s base, and it’s Trump himself.

    Sure, Horatio Alger was the lie that square America told itself. But the edgy alternative, Goodfellas, is also a shabby untruth. The lie that, with the right friends, or the right crew, or the right deal, you can jump in line ahead of all those suckers. People who take Goodfellas at face value are distantly related to people who take Fox News seriously. There’s nobody easier to con than people who think they can’t be conned. When you get a free second, ask an Alex Jones listener about nutritional supplements.

    The Trump White House (like Goodfellas) is full of people who spent their lives conning other people, only to fall for the biggest con of all, as Paul Manafort’s week has detailed. They all played themselves into following a deluded schmuck, and believing his childish lies. Like Henry Hill, Trump wants to avoid living his life like an average nobody. But the point of the movie is that only a schnook would seriously believe in The Life. There’s no fool like a man desperate to be nobody’s fool, and guess what? He’s the President. Donald, you sure are a funny guy.


    EDIT: I especially appreciate the article because I only ever saw the middle third or half of Goodfellas on TV some years ago.
    Last edited by Montmorency; 11-29-2018 at 00:41.
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    Did Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer just trick Trump into having a "Trump shutdown"???

    Anyway, another piece on the GOP going fashy, but what caught my attention was a comment:

    I live in a state with 1-party rule. Complete, lock stock and barrel, north to south, 1-party rule.

    I live in California.

    Two reasons mitigate the authoritarian tendency that I can think of – removal of gerrymandering as a means of voter control, and removal of mandatory R vs D fall elections. Come election time, I have a choice between 2 people within (typically) the same party, the top two vote getters in the primary. With policy differences that matter. I must research the candidates to understand their platforms, while with R vs D it would be a party line. The polarization is gone, the cookie cutter reflexivity to party line is gone. Town halls and open offices are held more frequently. If you are disconnected from your constituents, you will lose as the other guy is no longer ideologically the opposite. It no longer pays to be extreme.

    The key difference is a fundamental respect for voting rights and transparency. I am free to vote for whomever in the primary, and the differences between the two candidates in the fall are the differences that matter to my district, not to a political party. I get a text saying when my absentee ballot is counted. My representative didn’t get to influence my district boundaries. My vote is respected.

    In a way, California has gone back to the basics, the initial idea of America, where there were no political parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Did Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer just trick Trump into having a "Trump shutdown"???

    Anyway, another piece on the GOP going fashy, but what caught my attention was a comment:



    @ACIN
    The best part of the recent election was the Senate race between the moderate Dianne Feinstein and the ultra progressive Kevin de Leon (the Republican candidate came in 3rd in the primary and did not qualify).

    Californian Republicans still don't understand how to think for themselves, they saw another name besides Feinstein and voted for him. I wonder what would have gone through their mind if they had successfully helped the San Fran progressives put their chosen candidate into office. Top fucking LOL.


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    Those outside the state will write off our views as nothing but Dems having enough "illegals" inflating their numbers to institute one party rule.
    Meanwhile, the next generation of CAL conservative students wants to forgo the public relations effort that CALGOP tries to hind behind, and prefers to call their non-white non-binary citizens "degenerates".
    https://www.chronicle.com/article/Degenerate-and/244871


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    No trick needed at all. Trump likes to be tough. The trumpeteers listen to Limbaugh who assures them that government shutdowns are good and show how the government isn't all that necessary. Say no to a Trump policy you loathe and that his Trumpeteers adore. Trump gets to bathe in the purity of his followers love. His followers thank him for the shutdown. The media and the Dems tie the shutdown to the GOP with a huge Christmas bow (happens every time, regardless of who is in power in what branch or combo, GOP earns the stupid shutdown points).

    Those relatively modern elements of the GOP get hammered for it, encouraging the GOP ever further into the Trumpeteer corner and ramping up the polarization even more.

    I don't know who will make a move towards sensible governance. Conservatives like me drift away from the GOP day by day leaving only the Reactionaries and the out-and-out White Supremacists. Sad, sad, sad....

    And in doing so, the DEMS have managed to ramp up their fruitbat fringers into a self-chosen bi-coastal elite who presumes that the Heartland and the South are congenital idiots who need to be kept semi-sedated and away from the adult table. Doesn't make the DEMS all the appealing either. Though I will admit that Euro-style social democracy is less damaging than Trump's reactionary zeitgeist.


    A plague on both their houses. I'd love a fusion party running a ticket like governors Bullock and Sandoval. The USA is in pretty good shape, we don't need to be revamped from top to bottom on some idiot quest for ideological purity.


    Too old now. Will probably not live the 5 decades needed to see us reach some reasonable political climate again. Gah.
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    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...fugees/577993/

    What is the point of this? Why would you ever deport these people? 1995 was nearly 25 years ago, the war even longer than that, what are they supposed to go back too?

    Stephen Millers fingerprints are all over this naked cruelty.
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    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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