Trump Thread

[Beskar]

Trump actually signed something productive into law.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...bill/2076/text

[Husar]

Trump actually signed something productive into law.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...bill/2076/text

Given that many have already suspected that he has dementia of some sort....what if it's just another selfish move?

[a completely inoffensive name]

There was also a very good prison reform bill that was passed.

I will have to give it to the GOP, they did work with Dems on some good bills that were needed.
Note that neither the bills mentioned got any significant press attention until their passing, lest the public see compromise in action.

[Montmorency]

There was also a very good prison reform bill that was passed.

I will have to give it to the GOP, they did work with Dems on some good bills that were needed.
Note that neither the bills mentioned got any significant press attention until their passing, lest the public see compromise in action.

The federal prison bill wasn't actually that significant, affecting as it did a small subset of the federal prison population, which is itself a tenth of the overall prison population. It is an improvement, at least for sentencing going forward. Hey, I'm not going to resist making life easier for 5 or 10 thousand people here or there. But it's no 'great compromise', it is (or should be seen as) boilerplate.

[a completely inoffensive name]

The federal prison bill wasn't actually that significant, affecting as it did a small subset of the federal prison population, which is itself a tenth of the overall prison population. It is an improvement, at least for sentencing going forward. Hey, I'm not going to resist making life easier for 5 or 10 thousand people here or there. But it's no 'great compromise', it is (or should be seen as) boilerplate.

Your expectations are too high. If this bill got out in front of the public early, it would have been pounced upon as being soft on crime, same as with any bill that treats prisoners as anything more than cheap labor.
That fact that most Republicans agreed to come to the table at all on this topic, whether it was for 5 prisoners or 5 million, took some amount of political courage.

[Montmorency]

Your expectations are too high. If this bill got out in front of the public early, it would have been pounced upon as being soft on crime, same as with any bill that treats prisoners as anything more than cheap labor.
That fact that most Republicans agreed to come to the table at all on this topic, whether it was for 5 prisoners or 5 million, took some amount of political courage.

Did it? Why did Republicans in both chambers overwhelmingly support the bill of it was so politically costly?

What I'm telling you is that your posture sets our expectations dangerously low, like an uncle calling their 10-year-old nephew a math whiz because they correctly answer, "What is 12 x 12?" Just say "cool" and go on with working; blowing an accomplishment out of proportion isn't productive.

If this bill got out in front of the public early,

Also, interesting point - if this bill had "got out" in front of the public, it would mean that the media were prioritizing it as something to report on, something to invest prime time into. And if they were prioritizing it as a subject, it would be because the Republicans were prioritizing it. Because Republicans often set the media's agenda (e.g. Obamacare criticism, Benghazi, Ebola, Clinton emails, migrant caravans).

It follows that mainstream conservatives were not interested in opposing or bashing the legislation before the nation.

It's boilerplate, dude.

[Strike For The South]

The reform bill is a pebble in the ocean.

The United States criminal justice system is a failure and has resulted in this country having 1/4 of the worlds total prisoners. There needs to be a massive concerted effort to fundamentally change it. A black man in America has more than double the chance of being in prison than someone during Stalins gulag. That is not justice.