Trump Thread

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I was surprised by the second article of impeachment. It was an interesting take that the managers proffered.

[Montmorency]

Impeachment:

The White House defense, as an extension of its revival of the failed theory that "if the president does it it's not illegal/corrupt," is that "If a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment."

Aside from providing a pretext for establishing the first Galactic Empire autocracy, the logic entails:

Any of the fake news about malfeasance by Obama and Clinton would be above challenge if real.

"Controversial" doctrines of executive power with no direct foundation in the Constitution would a fortiari invalidate the textually-defined recourse to impeachment for all presidents past and future.

A communist president could literally justify installing the dictatorship of the proletariat.


Ultimately the Republican argument is much simpler and more coherent than many would like to admit in polite company, namely IOKIYAR.

[a completely inoffensive name]

"The truth unquestionably is, that the only path to a subversion of the republican system of the Country is, by flattering the prejudices of the people, and exciting their jealousies and apprehensions, to throw affairs into confusion, and bring on civil commotion. Tired at length of anarchy, or want of government, they may take shelter in the arms of monarchy for repose and security.Those then, who resist a confirmation of public order, are the true Artificers of monarchy—not that this is the intention of the generality of them. Yet it would not be difficult to lay the finger upon some of their party who may justly be suspected. When a man unprincipled in private life desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habits—despotic in his ordinary demeanour—known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty—when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity—to join in the cry of danger to liberty—to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion—to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day—It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may 'ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.'" -Alexander Hamilton, 1792

[Greyblades]

Trump's aquitted, as everyone knew he would be.

Romney crossed the isle but noone followed, only real thing to come out of the proceedings is to show how out of step he is with the rest of the party

Well, only thing aside from an expected clinton style bump in the polls for Trump.

[Montmorency]

Trump's aquitted, as everyone knew he would be.

Romney crossed the isle but noone followed, only real thing to come out of the proceedings is to show how out of step he is with the rest of the party

Well, only thing aside from an expected clinton style bump in the polls for Trump.

Romney's defection was a 50/50 prediction for me, but it's useful inasmuch as it relieves Dems and hampers Repubs in close races. The media also loves a "conservative maverick" so he'll always have a home on that welfare circuit, but it was somewhat brave of him to stick his neck out - undoubtedly he has thousands of redcaps out for his and his family's blood now. At least he can, unlike others, afford any amount of security personnel.

It seems doubtful an unpopular president in a popular impeachment can get a popularity boost that a popular president didn't get following an unpopular impeachment.




In other news, Trump is openly purging everyone who testified against him and vowing revenge. Also neat that he reaffirms his belief that firing Comey saved his presidency.

[Viking]

Ueland, eh? That's also the name of one of the widest streets in Oslo. Possibly a little crossover here between that other topic and a specific scenario concerning migration to the US you wanted me to address. Funny.

[Beskar]

Like John McCain was, Romney is pretty much one of the last Republicans keeping the lights on when it comes to the Republican party having any kind of moral backbone or honour.