Trump Thread

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Can you identify what positions have changed?

He is probably doing the same kind of "selective listening" that Limbaugh is peddling on his program. To whit, 'The MSM is lauding the protester's courage and implicitly saying go protest despite the fact that it runs counter to social distancing guidelines, but the MSM are harshly critical of Trump's holding a legal political rally.' So the MSM is, according to this selective listening effort, being hypocritical with the sole real purpose being to attack Trump.

I myself note it as selective listening because I cannot recall a 30 minute stretch from CNN or the local news that did not note -- Sanjay Gupta almost pleadingly -- that this kind of gathering was NOT a good idea under COVID conditions however laudable otherwise. The Media Right Wing is hearing what they want to hear.

CNN has been saying 'Protests understandable given pent up rage on a decades old issue, but not a healthy idea with COVID, but at least most of them are wearing masks.' They are also saying that '60k people indoors, in two neighboring venues, many of whom will eschew masks as a mark of toughness/bravado/political intent is an even WORSE idea under COVID conditions.'

Sadly, we all tend to remember listening to that with which we agree/expect to hear and not necessarily the complete message.

[Montmorency]

He is probably doing the same kind of "selective listening" that Limbaugh is peddling on his program. To whit, 'The MSM is lauding the protester's courage and implicitly saying go protest despite the fact that it runs counter to social distancing guidelines, but the MSM are harshly critical of Trump's holding a legal political rally.' So the MSM is, according to this selective listening effort, being hypocritical with the sole real purpose being to attack Trump.

I myself note it as selective listening because I cannot recall a 30 minute stretch from CNN or the local news that did not note -- Sanjay Gupta almost pleadingly -- that this kind of gathering was NOT a good idea under COVID conditions however laudable otherwise. The Media Right Wing is hearing what they want to hear.

CNN has been saying 'Protests understandable given pent up rage on a decades old issue, but not a healthy idea with COVID, but at least most of them are wearing masks.' They are also saying that '60k people indoors, in two neighboring venues, many of whom will eschew masks as a mark of toughness/bravado/political intent is an even WORSE idea under COVID conditions.'

Sadly, we all tend to remember listening to that with which we agree/expect to hear and not necessarily the complete message.

Correct, and many sympathetic people decline to participate in the streets precisely because they fear the risk to themselves and others.

As the protests erupted they certainly created some level of risk, but liberatory mass demonstrations are not normal in American society. An exceptional circumstance can overcome risk thresholds, just as I would object to someone spontaneously attempting to perform CPR on me but would recognize the validity of the decision to intervene were I splayed out on pavement without circulation. A return to routine with respect to disease control remains undesirable, but so does a return to routine with respect to criminal justice and law enforcement.

I am gladdened by the absence, so far, of a second wave of CV19 caused by the protests, nearly three weeks since their onset being sufficient allowance for incubation of a generation or two (this could change depending on both macro behavior and patterns of movement by discrete spreaders!). New York, for example, has continued to see declines in its testing positivity rate down to 1% yesterday. To be fair, neither have I seen much evidence for an uptick in cases following from the anti-lockdown protests in late April and May, but I can still slam them for being substantively awful and for contributing to deleterious policy responses.


Bars? Some may disagree, but not important.
https://nypost.com/2020/06/16/florid...vid-19-at-bar/

A Mayo Clinic worker who stayed indoors for months in Florida to avoid getting the coronavirus says she finally broke quarantine to go to a bar with pals earlier this month — leaving her and 15 of her friends with the contagion.

“The first night we go out — Murphy’s Law, I guess,” Erika Crisp, a 40-year-old health care worker from Jacksonville, told local WJXT TV. “The only thing we have in common is that one night at that one bar,” Crisp said of herself and her sick pals. “I think we were careless, and we went out into a public place when we should not have,” she said of the group’s excursion to the popular Lynch’s Irish Pub in Jacksonville Beach on June 6 — a day after most of Florida entered Phase Two of Gov. Ron DeSantis’ start-up plan, which included the reopening of bars.

After several months of properly social distancing and “doing everything the right way,” Crisp said, the freedom of the moment may have gotten the better of her and her pals. “We were not wearing masks,” she said. “I think we had a whole ‘out of sight, out of mind’ mentality. “The state opens back up and said everybody was fine, so we took advantage of that.”

Crisp wrote on her Facebook page June 12, “My COVID Life: Day 5 since onset of symptoms. Since I first had a slight cough on Monday 6/8/20 that is considered my start of symptoms date. Tuesday evening is when I was hit full force with aches, chills, fever, vertigo on top of fatigue & awful cough that had progressed throughout the day. I also had/have no sense of smell & my sinuses are swollen.” Crisp, who says in her Facebook profile that she works at the Mayo Clinic, told the TV station she has learned her lesson. “We should be wearing masks. We should be social distancing,” she said. “It was too soon to open everything back up.”

The bar temporarily shut down for a deep cleaning after learning of sick patrons, the outlet said. Seven of its workers have tested positive for the contagion, the report said. Over the weekend, Florida reported more than 2,000 new COVID-19 cases a day, as the state continues to reopen its beaches. Florida hit a record-high number of new daily cases Saturday, with 2,581.

Church? More may disagree, but not important. (At least hold services outdoors.)
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavir...time-high.html

The number of new daily cases of the novel coronavirus once again soared to a record level on Tuesday, with 278 new cases announced statewide. The previous record for new cases was set Monday, with 184 cases. Arizona, Texas and Florida also announced their highest totals so far of new COVID-19 cases in a single day -- joining a total of 20 states, including Oregon, that have seen climbing numbers in the past two weeks, according to The New York Times.
[...]
Officials from the Oregon Health Authority said 119 of the 278 new cases Tuesday are linked to an outbreak at the Lighthouse United Pentecostal Church in Union County. On top of that, 22 cases Sunday and 99 cases Monday were associated with the church in rural northeastern Oregon. Video that was published on the church’s Facebook page on May 24 but was later deleted showed hundreds of church attendees standing close together as they sang and swayed to the music.

Person-to-person spread is ultimately the primary COVID vector, so masking, avoiding physical contact (with others, with one's own face), and outdoor activities appear to be the keys to mitigating spread. But if the outdoors are much less risky than once feared, then the indoors continue to be a litany of woe.

[ReluctantSamurai]

Person-to-person spread is ultimately the primary COVID vector, so masking, avoiding physical contact (with others, with one's own face), and outdoor activities appear to be the keys to mitigating spread. But if the outdoors are much less risky than once feared, then the indoors continue to be a litany of woe.

Yep. From my earlier post about church gatherings, in particular:

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/24/212686...virus-lockdown

https://www.businessinsider.com/hous...otspots-2020-5

https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...o-avoid-2020-5

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavi...shington-state

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status...25629482708993

I repeat: Let's see....poorly ventilated---yep, most churches fit that category; sustained contact---yep, most churches fit this category; singing---yep, most definitely this category. Pray from home for now people.....

......and stay the eff out of bars.....