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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

    Project 2025 envisions widespread changes to the government, particularly economic and social policies and the role of the federal government and its agencies. The plan proposes taking partisan control of the Department of Justice (DOJ), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Department of Commerce, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), dismantling the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and sharply reducing environmental and climate change regulations to favor fossil fuel production.[13][16] The blueprint seeks to institute tax cuts,[17] though its writers disagree on the wisdom of protectionism.[18] Project 2025 recommends abolishing the Department of Education, whose programs would be either transferred to other agencies or terminated.[19][20] Funding for climate research would be cut and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) would be reformed according to conservative principles.[21][22] The project seeks to cut funding for Medicare and Medicaid[23][24] and urges the government to explicitly reject abortion as health care.[25][26] The project seeks to eliminate coverage of emergency contraception under the Affordable Care Act[23] and enforce the Comstock Act to prosecute those who send and receive contraceptives and abortion pills nationwide.[26][27] It proposes criminalizing pornography,[28][29] removing legal protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity,[29][30] and terminating diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs[4][30] and affirmative action[31] by having the DOJ prosecute "anti-white racism."[32] The Project recommends the arrest, detention, and deportation of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S.[33][34][35] It proposes deploying the military for domestic law enforcement.[36] It promotes capital punishment and the speedy "finality" of those sentences.[37][38]
    Let's pretend we don't care about the rest of that horrific crap.

    Let's only focus on the part in bold.

    The military under the command of Donald Trump would in no way be acting as ''law'' enforcement.

    This is a declaration of war against the United States by an openly fascist political party.

    That violence has occurred quite predictable. Sadly, easily predictable. It's not violence I endorse, I in fact would like it to stop.

    Immediately, from everyone, from all 'sides'. I would also like for the USA to not become a military dictatorship with a person immune to prosecution in command of the military on US soil.

    If that happens, there is no such thing as the rule of law, and most of the violence will be coming from Trump's dictatorship, but not all. Not everyone will go quietly. We saw what happened to Nazi Germany to those who weren't favored by der Fuhrer.

    If it's going to happen to us, I'd rather go out with those guns the right keeps insisting we have to protect against the very dictatorship they wish to install, that I want nothing to do with, and have never owned, but they do march around with, threatening me with.

    While waving actual Nazi flags at his rallies and not getting condemned nor thrown out.
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    Yeah, Pizza, I know. You've luckily been living abroad for 5 years, and I've continued to follow politics relatively-closely. SCOTUS for example has been issuing waves of relatively-unknown horrific decisions (statistically, it does more of that than at any time in its history; at least the Taney Court had overwhelming popular consensus and colorable original-constitutional arguments behind it). Robert's two decades on the court have merely been topped off with that decision you reference, the one declaring that all Americans are born slaves and always have been. Sure, it does make the prospect of a fascist dictatorship under Trump a little more urgent (frankly, Trump is a conservative authoritarian with extreme narcissism, but MAGA has always been an intensely-fascist movement, so the distinction isn't important for the purposes of most discussion).

    I think we agree political violence is not never acceptable, because that would be, after all, ahistorical. This country was founded on political violence, and unlike other countries, it never really stopped. As an example, it was a big missed opportunity not to decimate the Southern planter class and redistribute their land to freedmen and smallholding Whites...

    But speaking of this country being founded on political and other forms of violence, the reason for ever-escalating individual violence by men, especially young White men, especially gun violence, over the past generation, is exactly that White American culture outside the 'civilized' parts has become thoroughly diseased. It's not that other cultures have no flaws - the trap of the Black ghetto still exists, for example, and misogyny is still too present among all men - but the lunatic rage of the White men against everyone else is metaphorically, maybe literally, putting this country through a glorious murder-suicide dynamic of the sort that has become the common grassroots philosophy of the generic Mass Shooter.

    There's something to this in many countries around the world, but it's always had its most profound and ecstatic and effective form within America, for whatever reason, again possibly because of the cultural trends of our Founding and early history.

    Liberalism, in the sense of the core belief that the individual has some rights they can reserve to themselves against the authority and interference of the family, the community, the state, or any collective, is struggling to sustain itself and solve problems around the world in a variety of manifestations. American liberals are threatened by arguably the most genuinely-insane and irrational deep counterrevolution of any meaningful potency, but they're comparatively still little-aware of the stakes or of the level of unity demanded of them. But who out there can afford to see liberalism beset in what used to call itself its birthplace as a form of government?
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    Adding to the point made above by @Askthepizzaguy, what's rather eye-opening (delicately said) is the use of the US Army on US soil. As far as my limited knowledge of US Army on US soil goes, that has almost never happened.

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    A week and change out and I'm just hoping that the polling and coverage is just the MSM trying to make the race seem tight so everyone keeps clicking on their links and eating up their coverage.

    Fingers crossed that Kamala wins in a landslide that's so obvious that the insurrectionists can even get disheartened or at least dissuaded from resorting to violence.

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    I don't want to info dump on polling matters, but there's a lot of reason to believe that the polling is going to be quite accurate this election, unless there's somewhat more third party vote that's somehow being underrepresented (not sure if that's ever happened). If that's not the case, the only ray of hope is that Trump's polling is so high (with a high two-party share) there's basically no Undecided pool for him to be tapping into (Trump overwhelmingly took Undecideds in 2020, accounting for the so-called "polling miss"). Note that polling was very accurate on Democratic vote shares in 2016 and 2020 for national, state, and senatorial races; it just underestimated Trump somewhat.

    I hate that the best presidency since the 1960s is being rewarded this way, but Harris is basically going to need a 2012-class polling error in her favor if this is how it stands for the next week. In 2021 I predicted 2024 would end up being an almost-exact replica of 2020.

    Now watch me be wrong and some crazy shit happen like 4 states being within 0.5% (recount range), and the Supreme Court openly trying to coronate Trump with Harris leading in a tipping-point state (crazy how so much history hinges on Ginsburg not retiring during Obama's second term, or not putting off dying by 100 days or so).
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    Fun fact:

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    The House polling and the special elections swing averages (an alternative metric for projecting performance in House elections) have been in near-total agreement this time. Such close alignment between polling and alternative measures corroborates that the incredibly-tight spread of polling findings throughout this cycle for presidential and senatorial races among almost all pollsters and trackers reflects accuracy more than herding or other biases.


    Not-fun fact:

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    As of a few days ago, all of them agreed on the Dem national vote share falling within 0.4-1.0% ahead of Repubs', which would make it very difficult to get a Democratic majority. Currently, RCP has Repubs moving into the lead.
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