Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

[Zack]

Advertised Cults are still stupid crap, IMO.

nsp GOAT

[Lewwyn]

And I was so excited for this game too… GG.

Sry bro, GG

[Lewwyn]

Gut.

Part of me did like Dp's last couple posts ("I really hate D1" and "somebody please be a hero here") too.

Fair. In those last posts DP was tapping into a honest desire to keep playing and having fun.

[Lewwyn]

I'm reading town on Al Sipsclar. Scum would vote for self-pres even against other scum. One of them is going down best to be in on the scum lynch. I think its more likely that a townie would not self-pres, simply because a townie doesn't have full knowledge of the game and can't be sure the other wagon is on scum. That sort of lack of certainty leads to things like not voting for self-preservation.

[Choxorn]

I'm reading town on Al Sipsclar. Scum would vote for self-pres even against other scum. One of them is going down best to be in on the scum lynch. I think its more likely that a townie would not self-pres, simply because a townie doesn't have full knowledge of the game and can't be sure the other wagon is on scum. That sort of lack of certainty leads to things like not voting for self-preservation.

I guess, but he could elect not to self-pres on his scumbuddy if his scumbuddy is more valuable than him, and I don't get why you wouldn't self-pres as town. You're the only one you're 100% sure is townie, and accordingly, the overwhelming majority of the time, you're the worst possible lynch in your own eyes. I certainly don't get why you wouldn't want to self-pres on Day 1, there's usually not enough information on Day 1 to be able to read someone as significantly more likely to be town than just picking at random. Unless it's between you and a claimed power role and you're vanilla townie and you really trust the claim, I don't see why you'd ever not self-pres as town on Day 1.

[Lewwyn]

I guess, but he could elect not to self-pres on his scumbuddy if his scumbuddy is more valuable than him, and I don't get why you wouldn't self-pres as town. You're the only one you're 100% sure is townie, and accordingly, the overwhelming majority of the time, you're the worst possible lynch in your own eyes. I certainly don't get why you wouldn't want to self-pres on Day 1, there's usually not enough information on Day 1 to be able to read someone as significantly more likely to be town than just picking at random. Unless it's between you and a claimed power role and you're vanilla townie and you really trust the claim, I don't see why you'd ever not self-pres as town on Day 1.

I agree with you, but it happens. I've seen townies self vote and kill themselves on Day 1 because they thought they were weak townies and the other guy was more townie, not involving power roles.

[Sooh]

Two out of 3 or 4 sounds good enough for "many" to me.

Jabbz, you already keep a separate list of vote changes; interpolate that into the regular tally, and sequential order becomes easier.

Like I said, two at most. Might be that some weren't here for EOD who bussed earlier in the day when it looked safe, and some felt they couldn't jump off because it would seem strange.

[Sooh]

Oh, I thought I already addressed that one. Time passed and I liked GH's posts after that.

Wouldn't break your back to simply repeat the question if it's that important to you. I'm not answering it for me.

Took you some time to even say you didn't remember though.

I was looking for a more solid explanation a little sooner, however I doubt it'll be important for me moving on. I felt comfortable having that pressure on you at EOD because you weren't responding to me, plus you were in no danger of being lynched for it. I didn't trust myself and my fever to properly read and analyze the thread. Not to worry though. I should be better D2.

[Sooh]

My official leans list:

Monty ---- 100%
Al Sipsclar
Chox
Lewwyn
Arakhor

---- 75%

Snerk
Csargo
Sooh
Visor
Atheotes

---- 50~60%

BSmith
Renata
Zack
GH
Winston
---- 33%

Can you clarify slightly?

I assume the higher the percentage, the higher likelihood of people being town??

If you can put a word or two of reasoning behind each one, or as many as you can, that would be awesome.

[Csargo]

My official leans list:

Monty ---- 100%
Al Sipsclar
Chox
Lewwyn
Arakhor

---- 75%

Snerk
Csargo
Sooh
Visor
Atheotes

---- 50~60%

BSmith
Renata
Zack
GH
Winston
---- 33%

Woo just what I wanted to be, middle of the road. Sweet.

[Csargo]

I feel like GH and Renata are squeaky clean at this point. I'm not sure I understand this list...

[Csargo]

Also, just for full disclosure I would have unvoted Arakhor had I been around earlier. I'm working in the dark in regards to a few people in this game. I liked BSmith's posts that I read. Good stuff.

[Zack]

I feel like GH and Renata are squeaky clean at this point. I'm not sure I understand this list...

um what about me

[Csargo]

um what about me

[Jabbz]

Halfway point.

[Arakhor]

Fair. In those last posts DP was tapping into a honest desire to keep playing and having fun.

I tend to agree. Day One (and by extension Night One) are often the worst part of a mafia game, particularly for a couple of sods who don't get to participate further.

[atheotes]

Hey guys. Yesterday turned out more hectic than i expected and was not able to get back here.
good job on lynching the wolf in puppies clothing!
I am hoping to catch up today before d2 starts.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Fair. In those last posts DP was tapping into a honest desire to keep playing and having fun.

I don't like this post, it seems too confident about reading into Dp's emotional state at the time.

[Renata]

I feel like GH and Renata are squeaky clean at this point. I'm not sure I understand this list...

I'd love for you to explain your conclusions here.

[Csargo]

I'd love for you to explain your conclusions here.

Your vote basically sentenced Dp101 to be lynched, so that's pretty straightforward I would think. I don't think GH would switch his vote knowing it wouldn't really do anything as scum. It would garner more suspicion than just leaving it. It was an extremely town thing to do imo.

[Renata]

All right.

Thing is, I think some people have been misreading the vote count when both GH and I moved our votes. My vote change made it 7-4 in favor of Dp (from 6-5). I wanted to avoid someone coming along to tie it up, but I knew he was already ahead. Nobody except maybe Monty (based on his reads list) seems to realize that, and I'm just wondering if the lack of attention/easy read here is alignment indicative in any of your cases.

[Arakhor]

I knew that you were putting Dp ahead - not only did I make both the very late tallies, you said as much yourself!

[Csargo]

All right.

Thing is, I think some people have been misreading the vote count when both GH and I moved our votes. My vote change made it 7-4 in favor of Dp (from 6-5). I wanted to avoid someone coming along to tie it up, but I knew he was already ahead. Nobody except maybe Monty (based on his reads list) seems to realize that, and I'm just wondering if the lack of attention/easy read here is alignment indicative in any of your cases.

Yeah, I was aware of vote count when you placed your vote. I'm not sure I understand that last sentence...

[Csargo]

And to be fair I said I was leaning towards you being town earlier in the day, and now I'm grasping at anything I can to make myself feel better.

[Renata]

I knew that you were putting Dp ahead - not only did I make both the very late tallies, you said as much yourself!

I think my exact comment was "no ties".

[Renata]

Yeah, I was aware of vote count when you placed your vote. I'm not sure I understand that last sentence...

I'm not sure I can explain it any better. Neither I nor GH actually changed the outcome of the lynch. Dp was in the lead the entire time, from before I voted until after GH did. I feel like some of the analysis done on each of us since EoD has been shallow --- Sooh's post 540 was actually the first I noticed in that regard -- and I wonder whether that shallowness means anything. I'm not pushing too hard because I like you otherwise, and Sooh's been sick and deserves a chance to prove herself, but it stood out.

[Renata]

Csargo, who are your scum reads?

[Zack]

Was gh aware he was not changing the outcome? That's what matters, the intent.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Was gh aware he was not changing the outcome? That's what matters, the intent.

I remember Dp101 being one ahead in the vote count before Renata put the capper on him, but for some reason her "No ties" statement overwrote that in my head and I thought I'd be tying it up.

I did intend to tie the vote, yes.

[Renata]

Was gh aware he was not changing the outcome? That's what matters, the intent.

I don't think he was, actually. The wording with the chaoschaoschaos suggests he thought he was accomplishing something more than nothing, and his defense to Monty earlier tonight acknowledges that as well.