Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

[Al Sipsclar]

Now I can read up at my leisure. GG, town, but you just got lucky.

[Renata]

Dp101 - 6 (Bsmith, Choxorn, Kcaz, Lewwyn, Montmorency, Renata)
Al Sipsclar - 5 (Arakhor, Dp101, GHC, Visor, Winston Hughes)
Montmorency - 2 (Atheotes, Al Sipsclar)
Arakhor - 1 (Csargo)
Kcaz - 1 (Sooh)
Renata -1 (Snerk)


Last night's final vote count above. I guess I'd be surprised if at least one scum besides Al Sips didn't get themselves caught out off of both wagons: that's atheotes, csargo, sooh and snerk. Guess I wouldn't mind seeing a reasoned push on any of them.

[Zack]

I tend to think neither of those was the mafia kill and it was blocked in some way.

[Winston Hughes]

Thumbs up. So why you lampshading scumminess in this choice of yours?

Just my honest reaction to yet another superfail on the night ability front.

[Renata]

Just my honest reaction to yet another superfail on the night ability front.

Where does the scumminess come in?

[Snerk]

atheotes wasn't part of the CFD, Snerk. His Monty vote was from earlier.

Right you are, it's earlier. Page 2 early.

Go on.

Eventually. Can people claim (if only softclaim) nightly activities pls.

Can't decide whether Snerk refusing to give up his tunnel makes him more or less scummy.

Less.

I tend to think neither of those was the mafia kill and it was blocked in some way.

BSmith kill doesn't make sense. If it's a vig pls claim it whoever. Al kill could be a busdriver or something?

[Renata]

Why don't you think Al kill was a straight vig?

[Montmorency]

I tend to think neither of those was the mafia kill and it was blocked in some way.

Or maybe you killed Lou Gehrig.

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Anyway, claims so far:

Monty: Commuted
Winston: Failed watch on Monty
Arakhor: Watched someone.
Snerk: Failed action on Sooh.

[Snerk]

Why don't you think Al kill was a straight vig?

No that's perfectly possible too. But it's a remarkably good shot if so. I had Al down as town just due to being the alt scum wagon. Two scum wagons d1 happens, but not very often.

[Winston Hughes]

Where does the scumminess come in?

Monty being the only guaranteed non-verifiable target that I could have claimed.

[Montmorency]

Monty being the only guaranteed non-verifiable target that I could have claimed.

Untrackable, unwatchable - unless someone can scan to the root of the ability used itself.

[Zack]

Haven't read anything yet, but feel this is important information -

I submitted a peek for Winston Hughes last night and discovered that he's not corrupted. Which I take to mean he's almost always a villager, barring some sort of shenanigans.

The way wagons went down and dp/al acted fairly obviously hinted at w/w, but I acted in a way I thought would ensure the highest likelihood of me surviving the night and getting a peek off without being interfered with. Didn't bother peeking Al because there was a super likely chance he was getting resolved anyways.

BSmith would have been a pretty sub-optimal kill choice for wolves. I know for a fact there are ways to interfere with the wolf kill, so it seems more likely that al/bsmith were both killed by villagers and the mafia didn't get a kill through. Either that or they just made a terrible kill.

[Renata]

Monty being the only guaranteed non-verifiable target that I could have claimed.

Realized that a moment after I asked you. Thumbs up on the reason, but not so sure on the self-consciousness involved in thinking about that at all. Was that your immediate thought when Monty claimed hide/commute?

[Zack]

(Though I still stubbornly think that Al's posting pre-flips and pre-wagonomics was ~rand. )

[Winston Hughes]

Realized that a moment after I asked you. Thumbs up on the reason, but not so sure on the self-consciousness involved in thinking about that at all. Was that your immediate thought when Monty claimed hide/commute?

My immediate thought was that I should have claimed straight away when he said he protected himself.

[Renata]

Haven't read anything yet, but feel this is important information -

I submitted a peek for Winston Hughes last night and discovered that he's not corrupted. Which I take to mean he's almost always a villager, barring some sort of shenanigans.

The way wagons went down and dp/al acted fairly obviously hinted at w/w, but I acted in a way I thought would ensure the highest likelihood of me surviving the night and getting a peek off without being interfered with. Didn't bother peeking Al because there was a super likely chance he was getting resolved anyways.

BSmith would have been a pretty sub-optimal kill choice for wolves. I know for a fact there are ways to interfere with the wolf kill, so it seems more likely that al/bsmith were both killed by villagers and the mafia didn't get a kill through. Either that or they just made a terrible kill.

Two questions:

-- what hinted at w/w for you
-- why choose winston. I would have thought between his vote on Al Sips and that clearing interaction he had with Dp he would have been the type of player you leave for another day. Why not one of the off-wagon people?

[Zack]

Yeah, anyone else want to shade me for switching to Al Sips yesterday?

It's not clearing and I'd always expect Al to be bussed over Dp with the way he was playing.

[Winston Hughes]

I submitted a peek for Winston Hughes last night and discovered that he's not corrupted. Which I take to mean he's almost always a villager, barring some sort of shenanigans.

What's the good in me spending all this effort looking scummy if you're going to go and reveal something like that?

[Renata]

My immediate thought was that I should have claimed straight away when he said he protected himself.

OK.

[Zack]

Two questions:

-- what hinted at w/w for you
-- why choose winston. I would have thought between his vote on Al Sips and that clearing interaction he had with Dp he would have been the type of player you leave for another day. Why not one of the off-wagon people?

The way they both tried to jump on Monty at the end, DP in particular.

I didn't care about either of those things as far as clearing him and thought his behavior was fairly cringeworthy if a villager.

[Montmorency]

I submitted a peek for Winston Hughes last night and discovered that he's not corrupted. Which I take to mean he's almost always a villager, barring some sort of shenanigans.

So isn't that effectively an alignment scan, something I believe Jabbz said wouldn't be included? Either way, if Winston is GodMaster that should confound any scan.

[Zack]

So isn't that effectively an alignment scan, something I believe Jabbz said wouldn't be included? Either way, if Winston is GodMaster that should confound any scan.

Where did he say that? Also seriously doubt any godfather mechanics based on:

Cults, Jokers, Millers and their ilk, Confused and or paranoid cop/fbi/seer/etc, are all bastard elements in my book. Further I will not tell you things that are false, as that is also a bastard move.

The only way it would be wrong is if someone redirected me, which is certainly a possibility.

[Snerk]

Can confirm a spell that appears to be an alignment scan.

[Zack]

Also, before I realized we could only cast one spell each night, my plan was to horde up all those cheap watcher spells and go crazy.

[Montmorency]

OK, very well. But why is Godfather bastard? Would make perfect sense in a game with investigations flowing like water, and in light of the flavor.

[Zack]

My money's on sooh/atheotes. Visor >rand wolf if he has low wim.

[Zack]

OK, very well. But why is Godfather bastard? Would make perfect sense in a game with investigations flowing like water, and in light of the flavor.

learn 2 read

"I will not tell you things that are false"

[Montmorency]

Speaking of cheap spells, it is technically possible to kill someone without vigging or redirecting a kill: the Tier-1 mana drain spell.

If someone drains all your mana, you die. Max 5 mana drained, but if someone had low mana and used a high-tier skill on the same night as being drained it's possible.

[Montmorency]

learn 2 read

"I will not tell you things that are false"

But that's no more false than being redirected. I don't share this interpretation.

[Winston Hughes]

Also, before I realized we could only cast one spell each night, my plan was to horde up all those cheap watcher spells and go crazy.

I can cast more than one spell.