Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

[Jabbz]

Unless there's shenanigans already, I'm voting for Csargo, not Montmorency (hence Csargo's OMGUS vote and our responses to said vote).

Error noted, I placed atheote's vote on the line for you. Will go back and edit/correct vote post.

Everyone please feel free to point out if I miss or mis-attribute a vote on your part.

[Montmorency]

Haven't been up-to-date since morning. Will catch up later. I know there are only 7 hours till EoD, but I'm not really feeling it today.

[Jabbz]

EOD is still 19 hours away. 1200h PST (2000h UTC/GMT)

[Sooh]

Thank goodness! I got scared for a second.

Reading this thread in a fever haze isn't very productive.

[Renata]

Oh man. Sorry you're feeling bad.

[Visor]

Argh.

vote: Al Sipsclar

I can't decide right now if you (Winston) are a you problem or a me problem. I do believe that Al Sipsclar promise to catch up on a thread that at that point doesn't need catching up on (it was like 20 posts deep if that), followed by nothing, is >rand scum.

I don't mind this vote actually

Vote: Al Sipsclar

[Zack]

Dear God,

If you are real please smite the city of Boston from the face of the earth.

Thanks,

Zack

[Zack]

and also it's suburb foxborough

thanks god

[Csargo]

Dear God,

If you are real please smite the city of Boston from the face of the earth.

Thanks,

Zack

Brady's got rings for all his fingers now...

[Jabbz]

Lets stay on topic folks, this game is going to fill enough pages already, it doesn't need help :P

[Lewwyn]

Zack questioned, you just jumped on.

Yeah but they were in the moment discussing it? Why wouldn't Renata have a reaction at the time of the discussion? Why is it scummy in the moment? I think it would be more scummy if a length of time passed before, but it seemed like a reasonable reaction to what was going on in thread.

[Lewwyn]

I don't find Winston scummy or unscummy yet. Nothings really there yet.

Not a big fan of DP's "Winston is town, obvs!" when it clearly is not Obvs.

[Lewwyn]

Argh.

vote: Al Sipsclar

I can't decide right now if you (Winston) are a you problem or a me problem. I do believe that Al Sipsclar promise to catch up on a thread that at that point doesn't need catching up on (it was like 20 posts deep if that), followed by nothing, is >rand scum.

Visor says he likes this vote.

I like the reasoning, but I don't like the timing. Feels like trying to disengage from a dangerous situation.

[Dp101]

Yeah but they were in the moment discussing it? Why wouldn't Renata have a reaction at the time of the discussion? Why is it scummy in the moment? I think it would be more scummy if a length of time passed before, but it seemed like a reasonable reaction to what was going on in thread.

Why do you find my statement the only thing worth jumping on? Also, why do you think that a length of time passing would make it more scummy?

[Lewwyn]

Why do you find my statement the only thing worth jumping on? Also, why do you think that a length of time passing would make it more scummy?

I think you're confusing jumping with commenting and questioning.

Length of time matters IMO because a reaction within a discussion, particularly at this shallow stage of the game, indicates less thought being put into the vote and more of a reaction. Scum is more likely to think about what they do and less likely to simply react or switch.

Either way though I haven't decided about Renata (fairly torn actually), but your aggressiveness is concerning.

[Zack]

Hi everyone! Reading up.

Vote: BSmith

I don't see what about this warrants all the votes. I assumed he was just referring to reading the rules and shit. Who cares.

[Lewwyn]

Why do you find my statement the only thing worth jumping on? Also, why do you think that a length of time passing would make it more scummy?

Besides I know you, Getting more of a reaction from you means more for my reads than getting a reaction from someone i don't know well enough yet.

[Dp101]

I think you're confusing jumping with commenting and questioning.

Length of time matters IMO because a reaction within a discussion, particularly at this shallow stage of the game, indicates less thought being put into the vote and more of a reaction. Scum is more likely to think about what they do and less likely to simply react or switch.

Either way though I haven't decided about Renata (fairly torn actually), but your aggressiveness is concerning.

What about my aggressiveness do you find concerning? I don't think I am normally particularly aggressive as either alignment, so not sure why you think that it is AI.

[Dp101]

Besides I know you, Getting more of a reaction from you means more for my reads than getting a reaction from someone i don't know well enough yet.

This makes sense, I should have realised. Sorry for miscategorising your post.

[Choxorn]

As a sidenote, I'm going to say there's a 100% chance at least one wolf took the lynchproof spell. And i expect gh to cry when it inevitably happens.

I didn't know there was a lynchproof spell, it wasn't among my options.

Renata, I really, really disagree with your continued pushing of winston. It looks exactly like mafia pushing a slightly odd townie, and I would have expected that town!you would have found something else by now.

I don't like this post at all, it sounds like what a scum would say if they wanted to defend a scumbuddy and go after the one attacking them. What do you mean, would have found something else by now? It's been a few pages, and it's still day 1, there's not much to go on.

Vote: Dp101

Brady's got rings for all his fingers now...

Well, only for one hand, he can still get more for his other hand, can't he (oh dear god, please no)

[Lewwyn]

What about my aggressiveness do you find concerning? I don't think I am normally particularly aggressive as either alignment, so not sure why you think that it is AI.

I would say that coming at me with ,pointely accusatory questions and not answering my questions or responding to my comments is decidedly aggressively defensive.

I confess that your following comment:

This makes sense, I should have realised. Sorry for miscategorising your post.

somewhat ameliorates my view on you, but you still haven't really responded to my original question.

[Dp101]

I didn't know there was a lynchproof spell, it wasn't among my options.



I don't like this post at all, it sounds like what a scum would say if they wanted to defend a scumbuddy and go after the one attacking them. What do you mean, would have found something else by now? It's been a few pages, and it's still day 1, there's not much to go on.

Vote: Dp101



Well, only for one hand, he can still get more for his other hand, can't he (oh dear god, please no)

If you think I'm defending a scumbuddy, then why aren't you voting the supposed scum that I am defending? You make no sense.

[Lewwyn]

I don't like this post at all, it sounds like what a scum would say if they wanted to defend a scumbuddy and go after the one attacking them. What do you mean, would have found something else by now? It's been a few pages, and it's still day 1, there's not much to go on.

Vote: Dp101

I agree you about disliking DP's vote. I also think though that it could also be as scum defending someone who is town and buddying up. It ties into DP's decision that Winston is obvtown, which again I don't think is obvious. In either case, I find his reactions to be suspicious too.

DP101

[Lewwyn]

If you think I'm defending a scumbuddy, then why aren't you voting the supposed scum that I am defending? You make no sense.

Crossposted with you about this exact reasoning. Interesting.

[Choxorn]

If you think I'm defending a scumbuddy, then why aren't you voting the supposed scum that I am defending? You make no sense.

Well, first, like Lewwyn said, you could also be a scumbuddy defending a townie for buddying points and townpoints if Winston flips town. I also think you look scummier than Winston right now, and I think that you wolf/Winston town is more likely than you town/Winston wolf.

In any case, if you're both scum, why does it matter which one of you I decide to vote for? I need to lynch both of you, and he only had one vote on him and was getting lots more attention than you.

[Montmorency]

As a sidenote, I'm going to say there's a 100% chance at least one wolf took the lynchproof spell. And i expect gh to cry when it inevitably happens.

You lie. No such thing.

Hi Winston. More like Winsrarely, am I right?

Better to say: Winston? More like Winsnot. ohhhh

You're looking at the surface layer, trying to find reasons to call me scummy.

I was inclined to favor your position, but this post sounds a lot like Pizza-style bamboozling. I'll chalk it up to your philosophical experimentation.

Right now I'm working through whether a wolf Winston would have openly called me tense or would have been running to scum chat yelling about me being an obvious power role instead, sort of thing.

We're all power roles. Some of me more so than others.

I see my attempts not to get universally town read on day one for a change are going swimmingly. The usual stray votes notwithstanding.

Stray votes? So do you expect not to be townread, or the opposite? I certainly stand by my non-townread of you, for one.

This is bang on but for what it's worth Arakhor is a hedge-y kind of guy regardless of alignment.

Are you a hedgy-on-Arakhor kind of guy regardless of alignment?

For Dp -- honest question here, what's the difference between me and Zack?

That's always the question, isn't it?

Visor-Renata still sounds good. DP probably wouldn't take the risk of putting her into the lead as partner.

I don't see what about this warrants all the votes. I assumed he was just referring to reading the rules and shit. Who cares.

Someone enterprising should cross-check this sentiment against the last game and its low-poster narratives.


Everyone lists their powers for public review except vig - discuss.

[Lewwyn]

Everyone lists their powers for public review except vig - discuss.

So the person who doesn't list their powers is a vig?

[Renata]

Yeah but they were in the moment discussing it? Why wouldn't Renata have a reaction at the time of the discussion? Why is it scummy in the moment? I think it would be more scummy if a length of time passed before, but it seemed like a reasonable reaction to what was going on in thread.

I woke up this morning thinking I was probably being too easy on Dp, and I would like to see this answered.

[Renata]

Stray votes? So do you expect not to be townread, or the opposite? I certainly stand by my non-townread of you, for one.

I came into this game with the deliberate decision before I ever saw my role PM to stomp all over my town personality in one specific way I noticed I had problems with in my scum game on MU last week. And then I see myself getting rousing town reads from two of the more influential players in the game anyway, and it's not likely both of them are scum trying to pocket me. So go figure.

As for stray votes day one, I get them every single game. I've literally never not. Yet everyone seems to believe I obvtown myself within ten seconds whenever I am town, and hold it against me when I don't. See Dp this game, if he's not scum looking for a pockety way to jump on the biggest bandwagon. I need that to stop.

Are you a hedgy-on-Arakhor kind of guy regardless of alignment?

Good question; what is your actual read of Snerk?

Everyone lists their powers for public review except vig - discuss.

This is rolefishing and you should feel bad.

[Visor]

I came into this game with the deliberate decision before I ever saw my role PM to stomp all over my town personality in one specific way I noticed I had problems with in my scum game on MU last week. And then I see myself getting rousing town reads from two of the more influential players in the game anyway, and it's not likely both of them are scum trying to pocket me. So go figure.

As for stray votes day one, I get them every single game. I've literally never not. Yet everyone seems to believe I obvtown myself within ten seconds whenever I am town, and hold it against me when I don't. See Dp this game, if he's not scum looking for a pockety way to jump on the biggest bandwagon. I need that to stop.




Good question; what is your actual read of Snerk?





This is rolefishing and you should feel bad.

What were the problems you noticed in the scum game?