Quote Originally Posted by Renata View Post
GH, if you're town here, listen to me: it sounds like Beck in copless.
Thought about it, reread Visor's recent flurry, thought about it some more.

Somewhat disagree on your comparison and I'm really hoping you weren't just using it to get my attention (because you 100% knew it would).

Like, Beck's big thing in Copless was volume, especially at Lylo he was harping on about how posting that much in f5 wasn't in his scumrange, and that's obviously not Visor in this situation. He just flung a bunch of crap at the wall, saw what stuck, and manipulated things to fit his agenda. I'm not seeing much of that from Visor, he at least has been displaying a pretty clear philosophy here.

However, I am seeing flawed logic in Visor's arguments, plus stuff I just flat-out disagree with. The below post is the most questionable:

Quote Originally Posted by Visor View Post
The list isn't exactly ordered.

What was so villagery about Arakhor's vote?

Let me order the list for you.

Visor
Choxorn - pure explained a number of times
Atheotes - explained before
Renata - see above/interactions/voted both wolves, etc.
Zack - claimed a peek on Winston
Winston - claimed to be peeked
Csargo - offwagon plus liked night posts
Sooh - offwagon
Snerk - offwagon

What's left (mostly unsorted)
Monty - shrug
Arakhor - shrug? In two minds on his vote on Al Sips, 1, gives little credit if bussing, 2 decent way to bus without looking like bussing. lol.
GH - hardcore tunneling of atheotes
Lewwyn - possible overexplanation of DP vote

The Offwagon thing is an assumption on my part. If you think either sooh or snerk (the weakest offwagoners imo) have been explicitly wolfy then show it to me.
Firstly, atheotes. Visor's ascribed a lot of credit to atheotes for being on the Monty wagon with (flipped scum) Al, saying it's a good look for him for reasons. First of all, as I already mentioned to Snerk, atheotes's vote for Monty the previous phase was laid very early on in the day and he never got around to changing it. If the mafia are trying to manufacture a CFD in the heat of the moment, I'm not 100% certain they're that picky over the target - especially considering two of them were under fire. Furthermore, this reasoning alone seems shallow to ascribe a top three townread to.

The offwagon thing I can take or leave, it's whatever at this point.

Secondly, me. I think Visor's explanation of my "hardcore tunneling of atheotes" is a gross misrepresentation of my D1 activities. I was certainly on the guy, because he was one of my top scumreads, and tried to push a wagon on him, but I was flexible enough, posting my thoughts on everybody else throughout the day, and ended up voting for (at least) two separate mafiosi by the end. Furthermore, Visor knows that when I smell blood, I don't let go - he was in the MU wildcard game with me last year when I latched onto Royal Ape early on D1, stayed on him the entire day, and helped get him lynched (and he flipped mafia) - and Visor even praised me for it more than once over the course of the game.

So I'm not sure that I buy that Visor actually believes what he's selling here.