Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

[Jabbz]

Following the successful capture of one Corrupted Mage on their first day, and the death of another during the night the Council was emboldened. With the additional loss of Bsmith, who was not beloved by all but was at least respected, the Council was also angry. It came as no surprise then that there was again no clear consensus on who should be next submitted to the Trials of Purity. Arguments ran down to the wire, before eventually the chosen mage was to be Visor.

Unlike Dp101 on the previous day, Visor seemed simply resigned rather than angry, and he stood tall as he walked to the center of the room, daring the Council to follow through with his eyes. And so they did.

As before the ritual started smoothly but just after the halfway point Visor began to decompose. He maintained his challenging glare until his eyes rotted in their head, and moments later he slumped to the ground. For a third time green lightning’s tore through the castle, doing no damage, but leaving the mages uneasy, despite finding the third member of the Corrupted.

Visor has been lynched. He was a

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Corrupted Mage

Night two Begins, you may resume posting.

End of Day Vote Count
Visor -- 6(Renata, WInston Hughes, GHC, Choxorn, Arakhor, Sooh)
Sooh -- 5(Atheotes, Snerk, Lewwyn, Montmorency, Kcaz)
Lewwyn -- 1(Visor)
Atheotes -- 1(Csargo)

Voting History (still messy)

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Arakhor Visor 936
Atheotes Sooh 773
Choxorn Visor 900
Csargo Sooh 908 Unvote 912 Atheotes 912
GeneralHankerchief Visor 833
Kcaz Sooh 913
Lewwyn Sooh 903
Montmorency Atheotes 616 Unvote 844 Sooh 907
Renata Visor 629
Snerk Sooh 777
Sooh Visor 940
Visor Lewwyn 768
Winston Hughes Visor 634

Night two ends in

[Renata]

Whew. That was a scary one, b/c Visor.

[Arakhor]

Wow. We're 3 for 4 at the moment, which is virtually unprecedented.

[Snerk]

We still should have lynched Renata tho

[Sooh]

lol!

That's awesome!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wow. We're 3 for 4 at the moment, which is virtually unprecedented.

Possibly even 3 for 3 depending on how BSmith really died.

No Godfather though (if there is one), and we don't know how many starting mafiosi there were, so we have to stay sharp.

[Jabbz]

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[Zack]

Visor was 100% protecting partner (s) with that bogus analysis.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Visor was 100% protecting partner (s) with that bogus analysis.

He mentioned offwagon voters being more likely to be town, right? Don't have time to check the thread right now, but that points to... Snerk, Sooh, maybe one more? Right?

[Csargo]

He mentioned offwagon voters being more likely to be town, right? Don't have time to check the thread right now, but that points to... Snerk, Sooh, maybe one more? Right?

Me...

[Renata]

Never trust the spew of a caught wolf, IMO. I think we need to look at people individually, as they related to Visor and other scums before any of them were in trouble.

[Zack]

He mentioned offwagon voters being more likely to be town, right? Don't have time to check the thread right now, but that points to... Snerk, Sooh, maybe one more? Right?

Right. If they're town, that's easy mislynches to just give up.

[Snerk]

But with the mafia faction on the ropes, wouldn't Visor be more concerned about surviving than leaving appropriate WIFOM for post flip analysis?

[Renata]

Not that Monty really needs an further help but this from beginning of game looks good for him.

Visor is innocent.

Nah.

You could be right.

[QUOTE=Montmorency;2053736905]Three scum for role madness. Visor, Renata, DP101. Boom.


Would be a bit WIFOMy except that I could actually see the wheels turning in his head to have drawn these connections.


Right after this, atheotes returns an OMGUS vote at Visor -- could go either way on that one as it would have put neither of them in danger. And IIRC they both wind up calling the other innocent, or did before the votes, or something .. all very safely RVS regardless.

[Zack]

But with the mafia faction on the ropes, wouldn't Visor be more concerned about surviving than leaving appropriate WIFOM for post flip analysis?

Yes. Don't think it's his playstyle to really worry about spew he leaves anyways.

[Renata]

Zack taking some probably NAI pokes at Visor.

GH's post looks good for him.

wolfclaim imo

Given that Visor often does really silly things as town, I might be inclined to agree, but I'm not seeing the other throwaway comments about people's innocence or lack thereof.

Renata also looks like she's going to be purified first.

Visor thanking posts but not posting. Probably a wolf. Kappa.

Unrelated, but he did have a disproportionate amount of people snap reading him earlier. Specifically, a weird exchange/progression between him and atheotes. I'll list it under the spoiler:

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Visor's been around since but hasn't mentioned atheotes. atheotes has not been around since.

Just a bit sketchy.

[Jabbz]

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[Renata]

First three posts: something to keep in mind if atheotes is not scum and Zack's still alive and kicking in a couple of days, but otherwise looks pretty good for him.

Vote: atheotes

Why did you pick atheotes and not Visor?

I thought his end was weirder for him than Visor's was for Visor.

Bit weak, don't you think?

Vote: Winston Hughes

Winton Hughes, atheotes wolf team. Maybe Visor. Al spewed town or mafia, depending on your interpretation.

GH, Renata town.

[Renata]

Some more Visor-related comments. I'm losing my concentration again, so I'll just let people look through them and draw their own conclusions from here on out.

Zack, Renata, Montmorency all seem townie to me. Visor is quieter than normal, but it is the weekend so who knows. GH is a possibility sort of up in the air for me, but it's day one.

Top towns and scums, no particular order:

Towns:

Zack
Renata
Csargo
Snerk
Renata

Zack and Snerk on tone, Csargo is a soul read, Renata's listed twice because she's that townie to me.

Scums
Visor
atheotes
Winston
Arakhor

Visor and atheotes from the interaction I highlighted earlier, atheotes a bit stronger of a read hence my vote. Haven't liked Winston's thread presence so far, particularly this tidbit:



Seems twiggy and a go-to defense as mafia in my experience.

Arakhor because his non-socializing posts have been super hedge-y.

I remember in Masque of Death Winston was fairly windy throughout the game, but was also innocent. A quiet Winston who's not also absent would be somewhat weird to me.

I'd consider voting for Al too, based on the strength of his single post, but Day One seems rather too early for a policy lynch. It just seems too scummy, as it were.

As for Visor/Atheotes, Visor frequently changes his mind and chats up the thread a lot, but often he's on to something at the same time.

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[Renata]

This is as much as I can do. It's most of day one.

You lie. No such thing.



Better to say: Winston? More like Winsnot. ohhhh



I was inclined to favor your position, but this post sounds a lot like Pizza-style bamboozling. I'll chalk it up to your philosophical experimentation.



We're all power roles. Some of me more so than others.



Stray votes? So do you expect not to be townread, or the opposite? I certainly stand by my non-townread of you, for one.



Are you a hedgy-on-Arakhor kind of guy regardless of alignment?



That's always the question, isn't it?

Visor-Renata still sounds good. DP probably wouldn't take the risk of putting her into the lead as partner.



Someone enterprising should cross-check this sentiment against the last game and its low-poster narratives.


Everyone lists their powers for public review except vig - discuss.

I meant that I don't form the same impression of other people's guilt or innocence as quickly as everyone else seems to do. I'm more inclined to believe that Visor is town at the moment, given that his current behaviour matches other times I've known him to be town.

I feel like this quote is isn't alignment-indicative for Visor specifically, but I've noticed a general trend recently of the person coming out and saying not to talk about mechanics/night actions/stuff along those lines being >rand scum.

Does anyone have a vote count?
And deadline is in little under 7 hours I think? yes?


BTW also feeling fine with Visor.

[Arakhor]

Here's some of the interesting things today that related to Visorslash:

My money's on sooh/atheotes. Visor >rand wolf if he has low wim.

It's now comfortably morning in Australia, and in my experience Visor's WIM can drop pretty significantly as mafia if conditions aren't favorable.

As wolfy as it sounds I don't really have a bottom three. I found it kind of hard to pick a lot of people as particularly townie or wolfy D1 and I'd be throwing this list out anyway given w/w wagons.

Choxorn is still highly villagery for me, regardless. I still don't think Atheotes is as wolfy as people say, I don't understand why he is getting so much attention.

For a third, Csargo. Seems weird, but I liked his comments through the night phase.

Might be worth looking at the offwagon voters too, as it is a reasonable chance they are town simply because wolves don't want to be off w/w wagons due to image.

Also probably looks good for the early starters of both wagon, but I worth a look through the progression again.

Dp101 - 6 (Bsmith, Choxorn, Kcaz, Lewwyn, Montmorency, Renata)
Al Sipsclar - 5 (Arakhor, Dp101, GHC, Visor, Winston Hughes)
Montmorency - 2 (Atheotes, Al Sipsclar)
Arakhor - 1 (Csargo)
Kcaz - 1 (Sooh)
Renata -1 (Snerk)

That's where we stand. Bussing is more likely at the end of the wagon rather than the start for obvious reasons, though that vote count isn't written in order of vote, sadly.

Atheotes and Al voting together is (IMO) a good look for Atheotes, though I am fairly likely to be biased as I already think he's a villager.

Kinda yolo, but gonna consider the offwagoners off the table for today, so Atheotes, Csargo, Sooh and Snerk are all villagers for this chapter.

So:

BSmith

Visor, Choxorn, Atheotes, Csargo, Sooh, Snerk

Zack, Lewwyn, Monty, Renata, Arakhor, GH, Winston

Time to go digging.

[Arakhor]

Note Atheotes and Sooh both in his town list and Zack and GH in his scum list. If we subscribe to the godfather theory, it's interesting that both the suggested godfathers (Zack and GH) are in his scum list, whilst the people we suspect for being 'normal' scum are in his cleared list.

[Arakhor]

Day One
Dp101 - 6 (Bsmith, Choxorn, Kcaz, Lewwyn, Montmorency, Renata)
Al Sipsclar - 5 (Arakhor, Dp101, GHC, Visor, Winston Hughes)
Montmorency - 2 (Atheotes, Al Sipsclar)
Arakhor - 1 (Csargo)
Kcaz - 1 (Sooh)
Renata -1 (Snerk)

Dp bussing Al at this point was a matter of survival, and it seems that Visor was also bussing Al, presumably because he was the inactive one compared to Dp. This was D1, when everything was manic, right up until the deadline.

Day Two
Visor - 6 (Renata, Winston Hughes, GHC, Choxorn, Arakhor, Sooh)
Sooh - 5 (Atheotes, Snerk, Lewwyn, Montmorency, Kcaz)
Lewwyn - 1 (Visor)
Atheotes - 1 (Csargo)

D2 was much less hectic, with the deadline only really pulling in unplaced votes and Visor surprisingly failing to make a vote to defend himself. We still have yet to resolve the Sooh/Atheotes inconsistency, but it looks like that Visor was doomed either way, whether by Sooh bussing him to stay alive or by Atheotes voting for Sooh and causing her to vote Visor instead.

[Arakhor]

For the record, Renata, I maintain that Visor was acting just like himself on D1, which is when I made your quoted comment. He certainly was not acting like I'd expect him to on D2, which is why I voted for him over the other clear favourite (Sooh).

[Zack]

I did not have wolfy relations with that man.

[Arakhor]

That's, uh, just cat hair on the pillow!

[Arakhor]

I'm probably over-posting now, but GH's D1 scum list is still of interest:

atheotes, Arakhor, Visor, maybe Al Sips.

Other than me of course, you're doing fine so far.

[Snerk]

Tinfoil: there are 5 scums because town has a metric feckton of PR abilities :)

[Choxorn]

I also think Visor was protecting his scummates early today, because bussing doesn't make sense in this spot and Visor wasn't attracting any real suspicion until after people noticed how odd he was acting.

I also highly doubt that any scum were on the Dp wagon day 1, given the scum's pretty clear preference for lynching Al. If they were, they could have easily switched to Al for some made-up reason at EoD (the way GH actually did switch) and try to get some easy town cred for last-second switching to lynch a scum while also getting minor town cred to Visor for also voting Al. Doesn't really change my opinions much, because I already thought Renata and Monty were >99% town anyway and Zack and Lewwyn only slightly less so, but now they're all even more almost sure town.

Also, there were some peek claims, right? Zack said he peeked Winston not corrupted, and someone (I forget who) said they peeked GH not corrupted.

I think most signs point to Sooh as the most likely wolf. If anyone has any incineration spells left, that's who I'd recommend for the target.