Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

[Renata]

Oh lord.

[Renata]

Feel like atheotes is laughing at the thread tbh not that Sooh's complete lack of doing anything is any better.

[Lewwyn]

Feel like atheotes is laughing at the thread tbh not that Sooh's complete lack of doing anything is any better.

atheotes is actually actively participating with a point of view. I'm really not reading it scummy. Sometimes you do just have to laugh.

[Renata]

I mean, Sooh and he has to be resolved, but he's talking about protecting himself?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Both have things working for and against them.

Just from thread presence, atheotes has more positives (stuff Choxorn mentioned) but also more negatives (weird interaction with Visor D1, etc).

I'm sympathetic towards Sooh's predicament because I recently played an offsite game where I spent the entirety of D1 in a fever haze much like her and ended up being on the defensive for the entire game, but at the same time she's got basically nothing to her name. It sucks if she's town but at the same time 90% of the players are more likely to be innocent and the numbers are what they are.

[atheotes]

Both have things working for and against them.

Just from thread presence, atheotes has more positives (stuff Choxorn mentioned) but also more negatives (weird interaction with Visor D1, etc).

I'm sympathetic towards Sooh's predicament because I recently played an offsite game where I spent the entirety of D1 in a fever haze much like her and ended up being on the defensive for the entire game, but at the same time she's got basically nothing to her name. It sucks if she's town but at the same time 90% of the players are more likely to be innocent and the numbers are what they are.

Please list the negatives that you are talking about. I am interested in the etc. part.

[atheotes]

I dont think any of the townsfolk have strong man. so i am going to save myself either by protecting myself or redirecting onto Sooh.
You can lynch me if you want, but i get to see the night results and voice my thoughts before i die.
good night and good luck.

[Renata]

Vigs are guaranteed to be town-motivated (not 100% clear in this game obviously, but in the case of shooting atheotes it's pretty damn certain). Lynches are not. That's the difference. Although in a case like this with three wolves dead, lots of probably-clear townies, and a manageable POE, even eating a lynch in your shoes wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

Basically, town win is supposed to trump self-preservation and I'm not seeing that here.

[atheotes]

Feel like atheotes is laughing at the thread tbh not that Sooh's complete lack of doing anything is any better.

nah...i am just trying to Sooh flipped so that i can be clear (hopefully)

I mean, Sooh and he has to be resolved, but he's talking about protecting himself?

How is it any different from a self pres vote? Consider the scenario where I am town and have been telling the truth. What would you do? take one for the team? no. It looks like we are in a good position. But it doesnt mean we have won. you saw what happened in the mash at MU. it is important for me to stay alive to do my bit to solve the game.

[Montmorency]

Night Action: I investigate BSmith's N1 actions.

Final requests:

1. Don't write off GH.
2. Don't lynch Sooh unless there is very good cause. If either of atheotes-Sooh is scum, then beyond what's already explored consider that Sooh chose to reveal a protect on Renata after atheotes had claimed watch on Renata with no attendance by Sooh. All else equal, no other info forthcoming, consider who has more town equity in that timing.
2.a. Also, following the claims list below, it's possible that Lewwyn's redirect from Choxorn to Sooh transferred some effect that caused the failure of Snerk's scan.
2.b. Atheotes has just been so shady, you guys. 'I'm going to say I'm scared of vigs so I'll protect myself instead of performing a clearing action that could convict Sooh, because of course if I live through the night it's because that's how I used my cast and not because I'm mafia myself- sorry I have no other results for you tho! Oh, and if anyone gets scum results on me, it's because I redirected from myself to Sooh!'
2.c. Watch for a scenario in which atheotes pulls out a disruptive claim that guarantees he won't be lynched this coming day. If there are 2 scum left and town is lynched D3, and scum is lynched D4, then deep scum has to last for 3 lynches. There are enough well-regarded townies around for most players to claim plausible survival.
3. Beyond my comments on protective powers, mete out your night actions judiciously now. I suspect that with actions every night, very few townies will have the mana to cast more than one last spell, if even, after N4. And in cases of the former, if the casting reduces mana to 0 that would entail concomitant suicide.
4. Yaassss town slay


Updated list of claims (N1):

Monty: Commuted
Winston: Failed watch on Monty; can multicast
Arakhor: Watched Zack, no visitors
Snerk: Failed scan on Sooh; confirms existence of alignment spell
Zack: Scanned Winston non-corrupt
Lewwyn: Redirected from Choxorn to Sooh
Renata: Jailblocked Montmorency, no success
Atheotes: Watched Renata, only Al Sipsclar visited
Csargo: Scan ("Detect Corruption") on GH, not corrupt
Sooh: Protected Renata
Choxorn: Vigged Al Sipsclar