French Revolution Mafia [Concluded]

[Arakhor]

I feel that this is horrible tonewise. Vote: Arakhor

Cars to say why? I was only the most recent person to comment on last night's carnage.

[Dp101]

Cars to say why? I was only the most recent person to comment on last night's carnage.

It just feels like the comment about how brutal it is towards the royalists is something that scum is more likely to say compared to town. Or rather, phrasing it as brutality rather than as something to be celebrated. I know I've made similar tonal slips in the past as mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You find it scummy that I voted to avoid a faction lynch d1?

Somewhat.

It's a good ready-made excuse to protect a scum. If your faction got 2 scums randed into it, you have a get out of jail free card to use every time that person is under lynch threat. I fully anticipate that excuse would be used to protect a scum on the lynch pile. I'd suggest if there's 2 scums in a single faction, they'd pretty much never not use that excuse in this setup, unless they had a strong reason not to. I won't say it's evidence against you but it's also not something that is in any way reassuring. It's a thing you can do to save a scum and excuse yourself from doing so at once.

I will always want more than just a faction related reason for voting. Given where I sit on both myself and Renata, you don't have a lot going for you for your day one behavior.

I won't say I'm sold on you being scum. But the wheels are churning on you and a couple other suspects.

Will keep thinking on it.

[Zack]

Vote: NotACop

[Arakhor]

It just feels like the comment about how brutal it is towards the royalists is something that scum is more likely to say compared to town. Or rather, phrasing it as brutality rather than as something to be celebrated. I know I've made similar tonal slips in the past as mafia.

If I was scum, I'd be much more circumspect than I am now. If you think you've seen awkward now, wait until I have something to hide.

[Snerk]

Somewhat.

It's a good ready-made excuse to protect a scum. If your faction got 2 scums randed into it, you have a get out of jail free card to use every time that person is under lynch threat. I fully anticipate that excuse would be used to protect a scum on the lynch pile. I'd suggest if there's 2 scums in a single faction, they'd pretty much never not use that excuse in this setup, unless they had a strong reason not to. I won't say it's evidence against you but it's also not something that is in any way reassuring. It's a thing you can do to save a scum and excuse yourself from doing so at once.

I will always want more than just a faction related reason for voting. Given where I sit on both myself and Renata, you don't have a lot going for you for your day one behavior.

I won't say I'm sold on you being scum. But the wheels are churning on you and a couple other suspects.

Will keep thinking on it.

I like Csargo straightforward vote on me much more than yours right now. Pro-faction voting d1 isn't scummy. That scums would will use that angle if available is irrelevant. The vote is scummy because Jabbz flipped scum. That's all.

I stand by my thoughs on your two-faced posistion on Renata early yesterday.

Stay calm and keep churning.

[Csargo]

Somewhat.

It's a good ready-made excuse to protect a scum. If your faction got 2 scums randed into it, you have a get out of jail free card to use every time that person is under lynch threat. I fully anticipate that excuse would be used to protect a scum on the lynch pile. I'd suggest if there's 2 scums in a single faction, they'd pretty much never not use that excuse in this setup, unless they had a strong reason not to. I won't say it's evidence against you but it's also not something that is in any way reassuring. It's a thing you can do to save a scum and excuse yourself from doing so at once.

I will always want more than just a faction related reason for voting. Given where I sit on both myself and Renata, you don't have a lot going for you for your day one behavior.

I won't say I'm sold on you being scum. But the wheels are churning on you and a couple other suspects.

Will keep thinking on it.

Who are your other suspects?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who are your other suspects?

I'm looking at dp, not sure I am fully on board with him being town. I am actually perfectly content with votes on dp, Arakhor, and Snerk atp.

My list of people I don't want to vote for is pretty long. I do have several names of people who haven't done much yet this game, and I'd like to pencil them in for a town alignment if possible, but I can't do that until they do something.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I stand by my thoughs on your two-faced posistion on Renata early yesterday.

Lol

I didn't have Renata as actually scummy at any point, despite my opening joke vote on her.

I made it clear as soon as I did any actual analysis she was my top townie. That you kept focusing on that and attempted to draw a link between us without actually really pushing people to vote for either one of us is off to me. I didn't move my vote off of her right away because I saw no need, and I didn't have a solid individual suspect to vote. I was looking for towns.

If that's not a good enough explanation, keep in mind Monstrman the Royalist is dead because I asked for him to be and sent the order. So if you have remaining thoughts on me being scum, please, by all means explain them. I'd be happy to lol again.

[Manasi]

Vote: NotACop

I don't even think this is a bad vote, I just think it's funny that LITERALLY NOBODY reacted to it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't even think this is a bad vote, I just think it's funny that LITERALLY NOBODY reacted to it.

NAC hasn't done a whole lot. It's tough to react to a vote if the person doing the voting looks almost impossible not to be town, and the target is someone with not much going for them in terms of town points earned through posting.

I figure folks like NAC and El Barto and Sooh are pretty busy d1. That's not a trend that can continue all game, but I'd like to see more before I make a big judgment on them.

Fine with the pressure on NAC to do something.

[Csargo]

I'm looking at dp, not sure I am fully on board with him being town. I am actually perfectly content with votes on dp, Arakhor, and Snerk atp.

My list of people I don't want to vote for is pretty long. I do have several names of people who haven't done much yet this game, and I'd like to pencil them in for a town alignment if possible, but I can't do that until they do something.

I agree with those choices. Arakhor is high on my list at this point.

Zack's vote is good imo. I don't see the point in questioning it.

[Arakhor]

Short of the whole "not being in the same faction" thing, what is it exactly you have against me?

[Zack]

I don't even think this is a bad vote, I just think it's funny that LITERALLY NOBODY reacted to it.

[Renata]

YO

The Committee for Lulz of this special session of the Revolutionary Congress or whatever the heck we are would like to make the following announcement.

We haz a dayvig.

As you were.

[Choxorn]

Lolwolves.

Based on his jabbz wagon formed, seems w/v and wouldn't be surprised if wagon was all v. Lolol.

My thoughts exactly, Jabbz wagon looks pure af.

The thing that makes me wonder a little is that Kagemusha's vote switch said he didn't want to lynch a first-timer in the first round (by which I assume he means Manasi, who's never played any games here before). His switch made it 5-4-3 Manasi-BSmith-Jabbz. Was he just trying to help out Jabbz and trying to push Bsmith/Manasi wagons, or did he actively prefer BSmith's lynch to Manasi's for more sinister reasons?

What makes me really wonder is Kage and Monstr were both off-wagon at EoD, and they were around fairly late but disappeared in the last hour or so. That actually makes Manasi look more townie- I'd expect that if it was w/w wagons at least one of them would want to be on either Manasi or Jabbz for bussing credit, at least once it became clear one of those two was getting lynched. But it's possible they just weren't around that late- monstr's last post was just before Kagemusha's, and all he said was that he thought the wagons were v/v. I'm not actually sure which wagons he's referring to- when he said that, it was 5 Manasi 3 Bsmith 3 Jabbz.

Actually, that also makes Manasi look pretty townie, now that I think about it. Monstr acting like that doesn't make much sense if Manasi's his scumbuddy- otherwise I'd expect him to vote BSmith or try harder to save Manasi, it looks a lot more like Monstr was expecting Manasi/BSmith wagons and wanted to get in an "I think they're both villagers," which he'd already know whether or not they were, and he wanted to make himself look good for observing that when one of them inevitably flipped town. That looks like a genuine spew on Monstr's part.

[Renata]

Choxorn's taken himself out of the running for the dayvig, well done well done.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, since there's a day vig, I can't sit on this any more:

Our faction has strong reason to believe Al Sipsclar is not affiliated with the Royalists. Not only did he suspect Kagemusha while we were discussing vig targets, but he's the one I got to kill Monstrdude. The fact that both kills went through means he probably cannot be involved at all.

It's not a scan of any kind, it's just reasoning, offered freely. You may disagree with it but I'm almost 100 percent sure this is sound.

[Choxorn]

I'd be surprised if Jabbz was the only Royalist on the Manasiwagon, even if the other two dead Royalists weren't on the wagon.

Snerk- His vote is the one that looks the worst to me, even taking into account that he, BSmith, and Jabbz are all on the same faction, per Snerk and BSmith's claims. I also don't like how he said he was voting Manasi to save BSmith but didn't mention Jabbz, that sounds like something a scum would say if he wanted to save his buddy without looking like he was saving his buddy.

Logic- Is dead, and townie.

BSmith- Easily the best-looking of all the living Manasi-voters, his vote for Manasi broke a 3-3-3 tie between Manasi, BSmith, and Jabbz, and it's perfectly understandable he'd vote for Manasi there. Kage and Monstr's EoD posts all make BSmith look pretty townie.

Jabbz- Is dead, and scum.

Arakhor- Voted Manasi right after NotACop did, seemingly out of frustration at how much Manasi was shitposting. As far as I can tell he wasn't around at EoD. While I could easily see town Arakhor voting Manasi for that, especially early on, it could just as easily be scum Arakhor using that as an excuse, and I agree with dp101 that his tone today is bad.

NotACop- Voted for Manasi early on, as far as I can tell his vote is random. He disappeared shortly after. I have no read at all on him, he only has 2 posts in the thread.


In order from most to least scummy, I'd rate them Snerk > Arakhor > NotACop > BSmith.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Short of the whole "not being in the same faction" thing, what is it exactly you have against me?

It's more a question of what I don't have for you.

In your 9 posts this game, you've spent five responding to questions or accusations about yourself, one making a comment on the writeup, one asking me why we shouldn't lynch people (opposed to asking why we should lynch people) and one saying there were a lot of votes on Renata, implying they weren't random, but none following up on that suspicion or pushing them or defending Renata.

I had my sights on Monstrdude because he made a post explaining how Manasi was town and it was probably v/v wagons anyways and doing absolutely nothing about it; not defending anyone being voted, not voting for or even commenting on the third place candidate (who was Jabbz, it should be noted) and there was still time left in the round. He was writing off Manasi for dead before she was buried.

Other people in this game tried to lynch a scumbag who was acting scummy, right or wrong. Others tried to defend people they thought were townies, right or wrong. Others made a difference.

What have you done for town lately?

I don't have mega-suspicion on you, how could I? You've not done anything. But that's the point.

Monstrdude didn't do anything either. That's why I shot him. I know he's capable of doing stuff. I'm sure you are too.

[Askthepizzaguy]

why I shot him --> why I had him shot

As explained before, and just to be clear. No edits allowed.

[El Barto]

I'm only just back. I'll appear tomorrow.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Tally as of post 560, I May Be A Little Drunk Edition.

Snerk: 2 | Csargo (527), ATPG (531)
autolycus: 2 | Renata (518), Snerk (520)
Arakhor: 1 | Dp101 (532)
NotACop: 1 | Zack (544)

Round ends:

pending DST shenanigans.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I wonder what the bylaws are if I post in my own thread.

OH WAIT I CAN CHANGE THEM I'M THE MOD LOL

[Choxorn]

Looked a bit at things said by our dead Royalist friends to see if there was anything juicy or interesting.

Kagemusha:

Not much there, he only made three posts. I've already given my thoughts on his BSmith vote. Not sure what to make of his random vote for Csargo at the start. I'd think more of his interactions with Renata if I wasn't so sure that Renata was town.

Monstrdude:

Most of his posts are jokey and hard to get much out of. He voted for Sooh and stayed there, and poked a bit at a lot of people, but the only concrete read of his was his townread of Manasi. Perhaps a little interesting is his reaction to Monty defending Arakhor from Pizza and Renata:

defense of arakhor noted

But other than him saying he was fairly sure Manasi was town, I can't follow his thought process enough to be able to tell how he felt about anyone.

Jabbz:

His posts have more content than Monstr's and he talked more than Kagemusha did, but basically all of his interactions are with people who voted for him or were suspicious of him. His posting history makes the people who voted for him look even more townie than they already did, but that's about all I can gather from his posts, and "Most or all of Jabbz's voters are town" isn't a ground-breaking new bit of information.

[Choxorn]

I'm only just back. I'll appear tomorrow.

Nothing more to say, have you?

I wonder what the bylaws are if I post in my own thread.

OH WAIT I CAN CHANGE THEM I'M THE MOD LOL

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wonder what the bylaws are if I post in my own thread.

OH WAIT I CAN CHANGE THEM I'M THE MOD LOL

[Lewwyn]

Hey guys, Sorry I've been violently ill since mid-day 1 so I haven't been able to play. I'm feeling much better now, trying to get caught up, but I still have to go back and read a bunch of Day 1 again too. Reading through Day 2 ATM.

I've actually never seen you be scum, tbh. It's mostly based on this game's behavior.

Tell me about your day one, what you were thinking when you did stuff.

This was in response to DP. Just want to chime in that I'm not seeing a ton of scum in DP's play and I'm very familiar with it. (Pegged him scum Day 1 last game.)

[Csargo]

My thoughts exactly, Jabbz wagon looks pure af.

The thing that makes me wonder a little is that Kagemusha's vote switch said he didn't want to lynch a first-timer in the first round (by which I assume he means Manasi, who's never played any games here before). His switch made it 5-4-3 Manasi-BSmith-Jabbz. Was he just trying to help out Jabbz and trying to push Bsmith/Manasi wagons, or did he actively prefer BSmith's lynch to Manasi's for more sinister reasons?

What makes me really wonder is Kage and Monstr were both off-wagon at EoD, and they were around fairly late but disappeared in the last hour or so. That actually makes Manasi look more townie- I'd expect that if it was w/w wagons at least one of them would want to be on either Manasi or Jabbz for bussing credit, at least once it became clear one of those two was getting lynched. But it's possible they just weren't around that late- monstr's last post was just before Kagemusha's, and all he said was that he thought the wagons were v/v. I'm not actually sure which wagons he's referring to- when he said that, it was 5 Manasi 3 Bsmith 3 Jabbz.

Actually, that also makes Manasi look pretty townie, now that I think about it. Monstr acting like that doesn't make much sense if Manasi's his scumbuddy- otherwise I'd expect him to vote BSmith or try harder to save Manasi, it looks a lot more like Monstr was expecting Manasi/BSmith wagons and wanted to get in an "I think they're both villagers," which he'd already know whether or not they were, and he wanted to make himself look good for observing that when one of them inevitably flipped town. That looks like a genuine spew on Monstr's part.

I've been wondering about Kage's vote as well. I don't know if he thought it was less of a risk to vote BSmith, or if he just wanted another wagon in front of Jabbz. I like your analysis though, a lot more in-depth than my thinking.

[Csargo]

I wonder what the bylaws are if I post in my own thread.

OH WAIT I CAN CHANGE THEM I'M THE MOD LOL