French Revolution Mafia [Concluded]

[Csargo]

I'm just going to leave out the content that's not really related to the game at this point, because it's pointless and time consuming. The quote system is awful and I hate it immensely.

Manasi Day 2

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I'm clearing Zack gtfo.

Calls Monty villager #505

Vote: NotACop

I don't even think this is a bad vote, I just think it's funny that LITERALLY NOBODY reacted to it.

Slight derp clear but Royalists know the whole Royalist team right?

Don't clear me for this thanks.

Sorry I was away for the first half of this day. The other populists can confirm that I said I was going to be away for the latter half of the night, and that carried over to the first half of the day.



If you look at the order of the votes, you'll see that the second vote on Jabbz happenedafter I voted for BSmith, so he wasn't on my radar at the time. I didn't vote for Montmorency, because especially on day 1, a bunch of votes in quick succession can go from pressure to bandwagon in no time flat. He and Renata are welcome to think my rationale for counterwagoning away from Renata was bogus, but it was the truth. Renata playing an extra out there style of play was interesting to me.

In terms of my suspicions, Arakhor is part of my faction. He does seem more faction-focused than scum-hunting, but I won't pile on there yet. If there's a populist scum, he would be my pick. Both NotACop and atheotes need to wake up. Of the people who are actually talking, I'm actually probably most suspicious of vote: Montmorency. The defense of Snerk is persuasive, but it begs the question, "Why was Jabbz the higher priority save?". Also, missing the order of vote is not a mistake I would expect from Montmorency.

If my above post is true, then Jabbz was I suppose a higher priority save just due to the fact that he was scum, right? Maybe I'm missing your point, but other scum would be a lot more pressured to save their teammate than a random villager.

That being said, I don't really think Montmorency is scum but to each their own.

Likeeeeeeeeeee.

Royalists know who the other Royalists are, not necessarily what faction they're slipped into, but like.

At least the players?

Fuckin idk nevermind.

Does arakhor have any thoughts on people not voting him?

Meh, seems like his only scum pushes are on the people voting on him. He's not even really calling them scum though. In #579/580 he seems to just kinda be like "Yeah ATPG you've done this as scum so basically why am I supposed to be calling you a villager" and it just seems to be in an attempt to get people to find ATPG scummy on account of almost paranoia...

Vote: NAC

etc etc no sheeperino

I can take a look, certainly. I haven't been online much because I've simply not been feeling up to it, but I'll make an effort today.



It was more that Pizza has complained before that he doesn't like always leading the town, that he's done the whole "leading the town" bit successfully when scum and that on Day One, no less, he suddenly started issuing statements from on high about whom not to vote for (with zero reasoning that I could discern) and considered it scummy for me to dare to question him, rather than simply agreeing and asking for whom to vote instead.

At no point did I suggest that he (or anyone else) was scummy, merely that (by necessity in a multi-faction game like this) his motives cannot possibly be as pure as he claims.

Then the same question I asked earlier of everyone still stands.

Why are you just talking about his play and expressing no read whatsoever?

He's posted approximately a metric fuckton of times and you still are only narrating his meta instead of using that to come to an actual opinion.

Ofc I wasn't an option I'm the most cleared person in the game.

Arakhor

Gn sweet scum.

don't call my shot terrible wtf.

The beginning of Day 2 looks kinda good, there's some solving intent there imo. Voted with Zack almost always which is odd. Shot Arakhor, which I and the rest of the faction was on board with. Then just disappears afterwards, and doesn't contribute much after that. There's a decisive shift in play from D1 to D2 far more reserved with posting comparatively speaking.

Day 3:

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Yeah Sooh posted a few times iirc.

I'd feel more comfortable with Snerk f w i w .


But I'm not gonna be around super often today just because exam etc.


SHEEP ME ZACK

Story of my life.


I actually kinda forgot I was playing this oops.


I'll be back ITT in like 10 mintues brb.

I lied.

NOW I'm here.

Exam? nothing much here.

Day 4:

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Vote: Yes ????????????????????????????????????????????

Also did Snerk say Renata was a good vote?

Senior Guy, it's odd because she was the 2nd-most prolific poster for those first two days.

I'm heeeeeeeeere.

The site I play on mostly has really high volume, so I tried to play like that the first two days since it's what I'm used to. Now that I realized games on here are insanely slow I just kinda read the thread and only post every now and then because it just seems like what goes on here and I odn't want to like spam or post stuff that nobody will read anyway.

I like Winston's case on Manasi, but are you serious with the writeup thing? cmon man

Lmao what.


Okay two things.

What.

People read flavor for reads?

Also no, I didn't kill Renata.

Our faction only had scum reads on two/three ish people ITT and I thought 2/3 were villagers, and since most people were gone I took the shot on the person I didn't have a strong read on.


I can understand the line of thought of two separate factions being wagoned EoD1, right? One flipping scum makes it pretty simply put that the other (meeeeeeeee) isn't a Royalist. I can't tell you how many Royalists are left in the game, but I know that my faction + like 3 other people are clean.

Also, don't know why Monty is so interested in our qt. Our faction has been basically butchered by vigs and the lynch of Dp101. I don't think Manasi is scum at this point for what it's worth.

Meh, it's not worth much but I don't really pop in/out nearly as much as scum. I try to stay active ITT as much as I can in order to make sure nothing goes horrendously wrong.

(Obviously this game I haven't done that... soz DP)

But that's all self meta stuff.

Vote:autolycus
Vote:Yes

Don't think Manasi killed Renata, actually I'm pretty positive she didn't. Also, it's hilarious that you're using the write-up to make an argument...

I'm voting purely because monstrdude said El Barto would be a good vig target...

Monstr was a Royalist tho.

Light bussing ITG.

Kind of okay with Zack's hard defense of Winston I GUESS.

Think it's still worth looking at whatever the fuck Snerk is doing.

Monstr supported vig'ing Snerk AND Barto.

Brb finding more dumb spew stuff that could save at least one of those two (much to my dismay).

Al Sipsclar: Inactive. Lynchworhty
Autolycus: Kinda inactive. Lynchworthy from my POV
Choxorn: A little bit scummy d1 IMO but I find myself agreeing with his stuff now.
Csargo: Null. So kinda scummy then?
Dp101: Top pick for scummy bus vote d1.
El Barto: Lynchworhty. Is within town meta though.
Lewwyn: On Jabbz wagon so town for now.
Manasi: Makes random-y snipe on Arakhor. But is town due to d1 I guess?
Montmorency: Kinda running the show in my faction. Perhaps my top pick for scum within the faction for the Jabbz thing. But also if town then easily MVP in faction. So yeah.
NotACop: A fair lynch from my POV
Renata: Town I guess.
Seireikhaan: On Jabbz wagon so town for now too.
Winston Hughes: Sooh was scummy.
Zack: Disagrees with 98,76% of posts. Says Auto is important, doesn’t elaborate. Says BSmith wasn’t scum killed, doesn’t elaborate. Says NEVER go to basement on tuesdays, doesn’t elaborate. Town though?

Okay. So this seems weird. Making reads just for the sake of making reads is p r e t t y scummy I'd say. Everything is flimsy and not really taking a stance on anything after like four trillion days.

Especially because a lot of this seems super made up and just posted for the sake of having some thread presence. Isn't wagon analysis kinda lol in multifaction stuff anyway? I duno. Maybe the Jabbz stuff holds some importance.

That coupled with Renata being "town, I guess" and then him coming into today wanting to kill her after she flipped in the night isn't a great look.

He didn't seem to have any other progression throughout the rest of the day that would have warranted a flipped read on her.

All of the reasons he has for Zack would almost always be reasons to read someone scum but still defaults to him being a villager.



All in all, I think there are a lot of holes in this, a lot of fluff.

It's just kinda like: scum, scum, scum, scum, scum, scum, kinda a villager?, maybe a villager?, scum, scum, ????????????????????? villager??, kinda a villager?, scum, bullshit villager read. Looking at it like that imo makes it look a lot worse but willing to hear arguments on that. I don't think that wagon is going to exist today but I think he's a prime vig candidate.

Mm, thought you were talking about the weird shit re: Renata.

Yeah I read the list but have basically been skimming the thread instead of reading things indepthly.

It all came up after reading Monstr's QT posts about who he'd want to kill.

Well, let's put a few notes forward on unlikely pairings:

Not Snerk and Barto
Not Winston and Auto
Not Winston and Manasi

I understand the second one.

Need a little more clarification on the first and third.

Neither Snerk nor Barto have said anything to each other that would make you think otherwise, right? Unless I'm missing some vote stuff which I don't think I am.

I know I've basically ~never spoken to Winston directly this game, and the way it's going I'm not sure if I will. It could be the best form of distancing the world has ever seen. He's voting on me, but the reason was just kind of a /shrug reason.

why is everyone in your faction clear manasi?

btw same is true for my faction

Meh, the way the QT is going we're both trying to figure out the optimal way we can win. It doesn't seem like any sort of ulterior motives can be seen, which were actually pretty apparent in the way that Monstr was posting in both the thread and the QT. It just seems like we're trying to analyze our way through the rest of the game for the sake of our faction and nothing else.

ur faction can smd

But if by your own admission your faction hasn't even been talking in the QT since D2, what solving and analysis are we talking about exactly?

Well our faction was kinda directed by someone who's dead so we're trying to harden up and run the squad ourselves. Can't speak for bae but I know I found it really difficult to get involved and understand the mechanics to a point that I'd be comfortable trying to take any action for the benefit of the faction.

Barto def the scummier of the two.

Vote: El Barto

Ya Snerk sorry first game on this site so didnt really think of comparing meta.

When I say made up I mean really uncertain. Easy to say to make people believe that you believe it.

If that makes sense.

Improvement over end D2 and D3. Goes after Snerk, and then Barto.

Including WH case because it's interesting, and I think it's a good case.

I'm looking at her ISO, as well as the events around the wagons on her and Jabbz, and wondering if Manasi could actually be scum here.

I mean, if we were prepared to accept that khaan or Lewwyn might have been bussing when they voted Jabbz, then why not accept that Jabbz might have been bussing when he voted Manasi?

I note that Manasi did not respond in kind - even as Zack stuck his vote on Jabbz in her defence - until much later on, by which time their two wagons were the only game in town with the deadline looming, and the failure to self-pres would look deeply suspect (as Jabbz, being the host of our previous game here, would know only too well).

And then I'm asking myself where's the scum on the Manasi wagon?

Jabbz: 8 | Lewwyn (233), seireikhaan (289), Zack (393), Fenn (442), Renata (445), Manasi (448), ATPG (453), Dp101 (457)
Manasi: 6 | NotACop (112), Arakhor (115), Jabbz (392), BSmith (416), Logic (419), Snerk (443)
BSmith: 3 | Al Sipsclar (136), autolycus (287), Kagemusha (436)
Dp101: 1 | Montmorency (248)
Csargo: 1 | Choxorn (310)
atheotes: 1 | El Barto (146)
Sooh: 1 | Monstrdude (151)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 | atheotes (216)

No Lynch: 1 | Csargo (388)
Not voting: 1 | Sooh

Snerk is the only possibility there, and while he's by no means clear, I'd say that all things considered he looks a good deal less scummy than Manasi at this point.

And look at Kage's vote there as well. With Jabbz, Manasi and BSmith in the frame, he votes BSmith right when Manasi is picking up steam.

I think Manasi is very comfortable shitposting as either alignment, but looking at her ISO here I'm not seeing much - if any - evidence of townie thought process or genuine solving.

And then there's her quietude since D2, including on D3 with her weird pop-in followed by her immediate disappearance again after I tried to engage her:

I lied.

NOW I'm here.

Awww. Just when I'm about to hit the sack.

Do you think I'm scum?

As some of you know, I love asking this question when I'm a townie in the poe. The main reason is that a good, reasoned answer in either direction helps me to identify a townie thought process. But, it also has a side benefit of being the kind of direct question that can make scum feel quite uncomfortable.

Simply disappearing after being asked, when you've literally only just reappeared after a long absence, does not look good at all.

Day 5:

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POPULISTS:

Zack


MONTAGNARDS:

Lewwyn


MILITARISTS:

Csargo
Manasi


GIRONDIN:

Choxorn
NotACop

O.

I thought NAC was in your faction.

Z z z z z z z z. I was just gonna ask you what you thought of him.

Are you serious, he was publicly revealed to not be a royalist.

RIP forgot.

Okay, so what's the game plan?

Pretty sure that csargo is pure so means there might be one in Lewwyn/Chox assuming there is (at least) one alive.

OTHERWISE it's basically a FFA lolgames.

I'll have you know I've almost been playing this entire game to Zack's win condition as opposed to my own until like, maybe last night.

I'm not a Royalist. I'd care a lot more about the outcome, especially given like 90% of my team got boinked by Day 2.

I'm not going any further, because the rest is fairly recent. I don't see the consistency here overall that I would expect, it's very spastic, off and on after day 2 basically. I don't know if this is how Manasi generally plays, so I'm left in the dark in regards to if this is normal or not for her. Shifting styles after D1, then after the Arakhor shot D2. Altogether becoming far more reserved and toned down. The lack of consistency is what bothers me the most here. Zack and Choxorn have played consistently throughout the game I feel, even though D2-D5 have been a wash for the town overall.

Going to look through Choxorn now because it's a good idea. Not going to waste my time with Zack, because I honestly don't know if he would throw monstr and Kage under the bus with those scans as scum, but seems like a bad move to do that anyways.