EXIT NEGOTIATIONS

[Husar]

Are you sure it's not Dumbledore?

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/bumble

2. To move, act, or proceed clumsily.

[Gilrandir]

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/bumble

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albus_Dumbledore

Rowling stated she chose the name Dumbledore, which is a dialectal word for "bumblebee"

So in a way, bumblepie has something in common with Dumbledore.

P.S. I was again trolling, in case you are inclined to proceed with the discussion.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

...If he does think this - and i'm not saying that he does - then i would laugh my mammaries off. It would be arrogant, condescending, and plain wrong.
The fact that by many metrics we're among the least racist people in europe - and yet still voted to leave the EU - ought to tell us something a little more profound than that uselessly reductionist conclusion....

My "keep out the wogs" phrasing was my own, and very definitely hyperbolic. I was referring to the 'we do not want to endure uncontrolled emigration and refugee absorption' stance that was part of the Exit support base. Those who were truly doing so on an old school racist basis were, I am sure, a very small minority.

As a percentage, I am sure that the USA has every bit the same racist minority if not even more than does the UK. Despite the fact that racism is glaringly stupid, some do persist in the stupidity.

[Furunculus]

Apologies, I don't like my previous post.
it didn't seem fair in being neither a direct reply to your views nor too to those of pannonian.

[Pannonian]

It seems that Brexiteers reckon that the break up of the UK would be a price worth paying for Brexit. Why didn't Leave say this during the campaign? Why did they deny all the consequences during the campaign, only to say that all the consequences will be worth it afterwards?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

It seems that Brexiteers reckon that the break up of the UK would be a price worth paying for Brexit. Why didn't Leave say this during the campaign? Why did they deny all the consequences during the campaign, only to say that all the consequences will be worth it afterwards?

Two possibilities:

1. Despite the difficulties of the next generation, they truly believe that a generation or so hence the positives will outweigh the price that has been paid.

2. They do not want to spend the rest of their lives saying "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa and/or eat a gun.

Both may apply to the same individual.

[Pannonian]

Two possibilities:

1. Despite the difficulties of the next generation, they truly believe that a generation or so hence the positives will outweigh the price that has been paid.

2. They do not want to spend the rest of their lives saying "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa and/or eat a gun.

Both may apply to the same individual.

The thing is, even the most radical of the Leave campaigners was saying that the Norwegian model was what Leave will be like, that we'll essentially have the same economic system without participating in the EU's politics. Now they're saying that we must completely cut ourselves off from the EU's economy, even at the cost of food shortages, and if the rest of the UK breaks off as a result, then that's the price we have to pay. The margin was 52-48; said radical Leave campaigner said during the campaign that, if Leave lost by that margin, then they would continue to campaign to leave the EU. Yet the same margin for Leave is presumed to give a mandate for the greatest revolutionary change that modern Britain has seen, with no offered benefits inside our lifetimes.

[Husar]

The margin was 52-48; said radical Leave campaigner said during the campaign that, if Leave lost by that margin, then they would continue to campaign to leave the EU.

The important part here is that you Remainers stop whining because you lost and there is a clear mandate to jump off that cliff. Now shut up and jump!

[Pannonian]

The important part here is that you Remainers stop whining because you lost and there is a clear mandate to jump off that cliff. Now shut up and jump!

The closest parallel I can think of would be a cult with 52% of its members voting to drink the kool aid, with 48% voting against. It's a bad idea to drink the kool aid given all rational evidence, whatever the vote. Especially so when the leaders of the 52% have made preparations to excuse themselves from drinking.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The closest parallel I can think of would be a cult with 52% of its members voting to drink the kool aid, with 48% voting against. It's a bad idea to drink the kool aid given all rational evidence, whatever the vote. Especially so when the leaders of the 52% have made preparations to excuse themselves from drinking.

Sadly, there is lots of evidence that a large minority of Jim Jones cultists were forced to drink the Kool-Aid...

Of course Jones did quaff it himself (or did he use a pistol? I forget and it has been a while).

[Pannonian]

Sadly, there is lots of evidence that a large minority of Jim Jones cultists were forced to drink the Kool-Aid...

Of course Jones did quaff it himself (or did he use a pistol? I forget and it has been a while).

At least Jones went the same way as his followers. A number of hardline no dealers have prepared to move themselves or their money out of the UK post-Brexit: Jacob Rees Mogg, Nigel Farage, John Redwood, Nigel Lawson, and probably quite a few others. When it all goes tits up, they won't have to suffer the consequences. And they know it will go tits up, as shown by their actions.

[Pannonian]

They've added another motorway to Operation Brock, ie. turning another major (M) road into a car park for holding lorries waiting to cross the border. Operation Stack cost £250m per day when it was last in action, lasting about a week. Operation Brock, which is a much bigger version of Stack, is scheduled to last indefinitely. And that was before this last update expanding its scope to another motorway. And as Stack has shown, when an M road shuts down, it's not just the M road that's affected. All the nearby road networks get snarled up as well. A local Kentish MP isn't too happy, as the Transport Minister had explicitly assured him just the week before that this would not happen.

And in other news, the police have admitted that Leave broke a number of laws in their campaign, but they will not be investigating because of political sensibilities.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Ah. So the scare is that some might have food that is only of a higher quality than most of the world, not almost all of the world.

You guys still have chickenshit residue on your eggs at the point of sale. It's time you learned to wash the damn things and keep them refrigerated along with the rest of the chicken.

[Husar]

You guys still have chickenshit residue on your eggs at the point of sale. It's time you learned to wash the damn things and keep them refrigerated along with the rest of the chicken.

You and your neoliberal chlorine chickens and eggs...

I'm probably missing the joke here about keeping it refrigerated along with the rest of the chicken, but did you watch your video beyond the 5 minute mark?

[Gilrandir]

You guys still have chickenshit residue on your eggs at the point of sale. It's time you learned to wash the damn things and keep them refrigerated along with the rest of the chicken.

https://www.theprairiehomestead.com/...t-to-wash.html
I’ll eat unwashed veggies from my garden (we’re 100% organic, of course), raw milk straight from Oakley the cow, and raw eggs from our chickens.
Buuut, some people aren’t quite so, shall we say, accepting. And sometimes when you give people a carton of chicken eggs to take home that have bits of shavings and feathers stuck to them, it kinda grosses them out.
But no big deal, just give the eggs a good scrubbing and send them out the door. Right?
WRONG.
Believe it or not, there is more to washing an egg than you might think.
Egg shells are porous, but God designed them to have a micro membrane coating on them called “bloom” to keep potential baby chicks and their environment safe and clean.
Bacteria has a hard time getting inside a dry egg. Washing dirty eggs removes the bloom and invites bacteria to be drawn inside the egg. And washing eggs in cool water actually creates a vacuum, pulling unwanted bacteria inside even faster.


Most specialists agree, however, that you CAN wash eggs, but you will have to use them right after washing.

[Pannonian]

A summary of Brexit. Would be funny if it weren't so accurate. Don't know the original creator.

LEAVER: I want an omelette.

REMAINER: Right. It’s just we haven’t got any eggs.

LEAVER: Yes, we have. There they are. [HE POINTS AT A CAKE]

REMAINER: They’re in the cake.

LEAVER: Yes, get them out of the cake, please.

REMAINER: But we voted in 1974 to put them into a cake.

LEAVER: Yes, but that cake has got icing on it. Nobody said there was going to be icing on it.

REMAINER: Icing is good.

LEAVER: And there are raisins in it. I don’t like raisins. Nobody mentioned raisins. I demand another vote.

DAVID CAMERON ENTERS.

DAVID CAMERON: OK.

DAVID CAMERON SCARPERS.

LEAVER: Right, where’s my omelette?

REMAINER: I told you, the eggs are in the cake.

LEAVER: Well, get them out.

EU: It’s our cake.

JEREMY CORBYN: Yes, get them out now.

REMAINER: I have absolutely no idea how to get them out. Don’t you know how to get them out?

LEAVER: Yes! You just get them out and then you make an omelette.

REMAINER: But how?! Didn’t you give this any thought?

LEAVER: Saboteur! You’re talking eggs down. We could make omelettes before the eggs went into the cake, so there’s no reason why we can’t make them now.

THERESA MAY: It’s OK, I can do it.

REMAINER: How?

THERESA MAY: There was a vote to remove the eggs from the cake, and so the eggs will be removed from the cake.

REMAINER: Yeah, but…

LEAVER: Hang on, if we take the eggs out of the cake, does that mean we don’t have any cake? I didn’t say I didn’t want the cake, just the bits I don’t like.

EU: It’s our cake.

REMAINER: But you can’t take the eggs out of the cake and then still have a cake.

LEAVER: You can. I saw the latest Bake Off and you can definitely make cakes without eggs in them. It’s just that they’re horrible.

REMAINER: Fine. Take the eggs out. See what happens.

LEAVER: It’s not my responsibility to take the eggs out. Get on with it.

REMAINER: Why should I have to come up with some long-winded incredibly difficult chemical process to extract eggs that have bonded at the molecular level to the cake, while somehow still having the cake?

LEAVER: You lost, get over it.

THERESA MAY: By the way, I’ve started the clock on this.

REMAINER: So I assume you have a plan?

THERESA MAY: Actually, back in a bit. Just having another election.

REMAINER: Jeremy, are you going to sort this out?

JEREMY CORBYN: Yes. No. Maybe.

EU: It’s our cake.

LEAVER: Where’s my omelette? I voted for an omelette.

REMAINER: This is ridiculous. This is never going to work. We should have another vote, or at least stop what we’re doing until we know how to get the eggs out of the cake while keeping the bits of the cake that we all like.

LEAVER/MAY/CORBYN: WE HAD A VOTE. STOP SABOTAGING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. EGGSIT MEANS EGGSIT.

REMAINER: Fine, I’m moving to France. The cakes are nicer there.

[Pannonian]

The issue would be Food Standards, not necessarily food itself. UK and Europe do have some of the highest food standards in the world (even though there can be slips within the system).

These can be relaxed after Brexit, but then we would products like chlorinated chicken and hormone-injected beef, etc from the USA flooding the market.

And Trump tells us that any trade deal with the US is dependent on us abandoning our agricultural and food standards. Just about everything the Remainers have said would happen is happening. Just about nothing the Leavers said would happen is happening.

[Beskar]

And Trump tells us that any trade deal with the US is dependent on us abandoning our agricultural and food standards. Just about everything the Remainers have said would happen is happening. Just about nothing the Leavers said would happen is happening.

Eggsit means Eggs*it.

[a completely inoffensive name]

You and your neoliberal chlorine chickens and eggs...

I'm probably missing the joke here about keeping it refrigerated along with the rest of the chicken, but did you watch your video beyond the 5 minute mark?

https://www.theprairiehomestead.com/...t-to-wash.html
I’ll eat unwashed veggies from my garden (we’re 100% organic, of course), raw milk straight from Oakley the cow, and raw eggs from our chickens.
Buuut, some people aren’t quite so, shall we say, accepting. And sometimes when you give people a carton of chicken eggs to take home that have bits of shavings and feathers stuck to them, it kinda grosses them out.
But no big deal, just give the eggs a good scrubbing and send them out the door. Right?
WRONG.
Believe it or not, there is more to washing an egg than you might think.
Egg shells are porous, but God designed them to have a micro membrane coating on them called “bloom” to keep potential baby chicks and their environment safe and clean.
Bacteria has a hard time getting inside a dry egg. Washing dirty eggs removes the bloom and invites bacteria to be drawn inside the egg. And washing eggs in cool water actually creates a vacuum, pulling unwanted bacteria inside even faster.


Most specialists agree, however, that you CAN wash eggs, but you will have to use them right after washing.

Was being facetious, lol. YOu don't need to use eggs right after washing, I keep my eggs up to a month in the fridge. Most of the time when they get really old, I steam them into soft boiled eggs which are the best thing in the world.

[Husar]

Was being facetious, lol. YOu don't need to use eggs right after washing, I keep my eggs up to a month in the fridge. Most of the time when they get really old, I steam them into soft boiled eggs which are the best thing in the world.

That explains your profile picture.

[Shaka_Khan]

I didn't know that there was a German version of a news satire television program.

[Husar]

I didn't know that there was a German version of a news satire television program.

There is also Extra 3 of sorts and we had/have a late night show with Harald Something. He went to Pay TV though, not sure he still exists. And TV Total, which was/is also part game show.

I'm more surprised that they have Closed Captions in English.

[Pannonian]

UK government's plans for no deal include government-controlled shipments of food and essential supplies. Cabinet were "shocked".

Have the Brexiteers listened to Mr Trucker's account or read the parliamentary report on the logistical consequences of no deal yet? Are they still dismissing them as absurd?

[Beskar]

Using a Fragonyism.

There are some very intelligent people in charge of Brexit. They formulated such an intelligent plan, others cannot understand the complexities of this innovative EU-Busting Brexit strategy, including themselves.

[Husar]

Using a Fragonyism.

There are some very intelligent people in charge of Brexit. They formulated such an intelligent plan, others cannot understand the complexities of this innovative EU-Busting Brexit strategy, including themselves.

5D chess!
I can only assume the trickle-down after Brexit will be glorious!

[Pannonian]

5D chess!
I can only assume the trickle-down after Brexit will be glorious!

It's full on nostalgia for the glory years of WW2. We're isolating ourselves from Europe, now we're organising shipping space at government level for food and medicines. Now we just need ration books and conscription and we're good to go.

Government advice is to stockpile necessary medical supplies for 6 weeks. Given that doctors are unwilling to prescribe some medicines for more than 2 weeks a pop, I'm wondering how this works.

[Fragony]

You have always been isolated from 'Europe'. Europe is not your most important trade, you really worry too much. Some things will become more expensive, some cheaper

[Pannonian]

And the new head of DExEU admits he hadn't quite realised how reliant Britain is on the Dover-Calais crossing. Has he listened to what Mr. Trucker said, or read the parliamentary report on the logistical consequences of no deal that I've cited. Have the Brexiteers here checked out those sources?

[Fragony]

You can just ship your stuff to Rotterdam and Antwerpen, closest harbour, both huge, no u-boats

[Furunculus]

And the new head of DExEU admits he hadn't quite realised how reliant Britain is on the Dover-Calais crossing. Has he listened to what Mr. Trucker said, or read the parliamentary report on the logistical consequences of no deal that I've cited. Have the Brexiteers here checked out those sources?

actually, i think it reveals more about the ignorance of those who think they're being clever by scoring a 'point' in calling him out on this, than it does about raab.

i have seen quite sympatheteic responses to raab's point from trade experts like Dmitry Grozoubinski and i think its a rather more nunanced point than twitter screamers understand.