EXIT NEGOTIATIONS

[Furunculus]

I do think you have a point here, re: the mandate for the free marketeer brexit. But it certainly wasn't a clear rejection either. Mixed message all round.

[Beskar]

I had a shower moment. Instead of hard or soft Brexit. We are aiming for Schrodinger's Brexit.
A state we are both simultaneous inside and outside the European Union, with the answer depending on who is asking. The issue is, hopefully no one will try to open the box to actually reveal the reality of the situation.

[Pannonian]

Airbus have said that it will be planning for a no-deal Brexit given the current uncertainty, and in such a situation will leave the UK. The supply chain is cited. Airbus directly employs 14,000 in the UK, with over 100,000 supported.

How many of these will it take before Brexiteers admit Brexit is a bad idea?

[Fragony]

I had a shower moment. Instead of hard or soft Brexit. We are aiming for Schrodinger's Brexit.
A state we are both simultaneous inside and outside the European Union, with the answer depending on who is asking. The issue is, hopefully no one will try to open the box to actually reveal the reality of the situation.

A shower moment, what's that, do know the bath-moment, shower-moment would be everything gliding off

[Husar]

Airbus have said that it will be planning for a no-deal Brexit given the current uncertainty, and in such a situation will leave the UK. The supply chain is cited. Airbus directly employs 14,000 in the UK, with over 100,000 supported.

How many of these will it take before Brexiteers admit Brexit is a bad idea?

They will all get hired by BAE Systems to sell more bombers to Turkey and China.

It's the democratic way.

[Furunculus]

Airbus have said that it will be planning for a no-deal Brexit given the current uncertainty, and in such a situation will leave the UK. The supply chain is cited. Airbus directly employs 14,000 in the UK, with over 100,000 supported.

How many of these will it take before Brexiteers admit Brexit is a bad idea?

Will you forgive me if I say this comes across as very Chicken Little?

If we want independent self government then we can damn well have it. :)

p.s. an interesting speech on the vision to pursue for brexit:

https://brexitcentral.com/vision-glo...rexit-britain/

[Beskar]

A shower moment, what's that, do know the bath-moment, shower-moment would be everything gliding off

Where you are in the shower doing a mundane activity so your mind wonders as you contemplate existence, forming connections you would normally not consider as your mind is too occupied with other things. Thus it is common for inspiration to occur.

[Fragony]

Where you are in the shower doing a mundane activity so your mind wonders as you contemplate existence, forming connections you would normally not consider as your mind is too occupied with other things. Thus it is common for inspiration to occur.

Just had to look it up and came up with advertisements. A bath-moment refers to archimedes formula of calculating mass with the help of measuring volume with water displacement, hence the bath

Yes I am being a jerk here

[Seamus Fermanagh]

J...Yes I am being a jerk here

Everyone should have a hobby they enjoy.

[Fragony]

Everyone should have a hobby they enjoy.

Got to admit that the shower vs bath cryptism wasn't handled poorly

[Pannonian]

Brexiteers are developing their Dolchstosslegende, as civil servants had correctly noted.

Brexit done properly will make this country richer, Brexit done badly will leave us in a worse position than before. Brexit on its own isn't some magic cure. What Brexit does is put us back in control of our lives and the problem is, the Prime Minister appears to be rather reluctant to take up that opportunity

Britain is about to go tits up. But it's not the fault of Brexit. It's the fault of the implementers implementing Brexit badly. It's never their fault.

[Fragony]

Haven't you been paying attention? The France/Germany EU is in a massive crisis

[Pannonian]

Haven't you been paying attention? The France/Germany EU is in a massive crisis

Tell that to the guy above. He made sure he got himself a German passport post-Brexit, while the former chairman of Leave lives in France and has no intention of living in the UK.

[Fragony]

Tell that to the guy above. He made sure he got himself a German passport post-Brexit, while the former chairman of Leave lives in France and has no intention of living in the UK.

That's stupid of him, he should have gone to Italy as the 2000 billion debt they have does't really bother them all that much considering the transfer-union the Merkel and the Macron want, schnaps for the south, bill for the north, the distribution of the schaffende childless mutti isn't going very well for her either she's about to get shafted (she voluntered for it unlike other frauleins who get shafted by the Mutti's little children).

The EU is in shambles.

[Pannonian]

That's stupid of him, he should have gone to Italy as the 2000 billion debt they have does't really bother them all that much considering the transfer-union the Merkel and the Macron want, schnaps for the south, bill for the north, the distribution of the schaffende childless mutti isn't going very well for her either she's about to get shafted (she voluntered for it unlike other frauleins who get shafted by the Mutti's little children).

The EU is in shambles.

But it's typical of wealthy Brexiteers. Make sure you have an escape route, so you can buy up bankrupt UK businesses for a song (bankrupt because you're anticipating a plummeting UK economy) whilst not having to experience the UK post-Brexit. Even if you have to live here, as an active politician needs to, make sure you diversify your investments overseas, as the Brexitters' darling Tree Frog has done.

[Fragony]

But it's typical of wealthy Brexiteers. Make sure you have an escape route, so you can buy up bankrupt UK businesses for a song (bankrupt because you're anticipating a plummeting UK economy) whilst not having to experience the UK post-Brexit. Even if you have to live here, as an active politician needs to, make sure you diversify your investments overseas, as the Brexitters' darling Tree Frog has done.

Hypocracy isn't really a good argument, they probably got stocks invested, hypocracy you can find everywhere. In the end the EU is nothing more than a very costly overhead with a twisted relationship between France and Germany nobody is interested in. The EU has no reason to exist, it was all fine before it came to be. A hard brexit might even benefit you as it opens up trade routes (might take a while), you are so pessimistic. The EU is about to crumble, who doesn't sees that comming should get a role in Forest Gumb 2

[rory_20_uk]

A leaked report states that if there's a "hard" Brexit the UK will run out of food within c. 6 weeks. The news articled did not mention whether this is due to the collapse of the pound (which was due to happen when we didn't join the Euro) or else that there is no food in the world that could be purchased.

That's right folks - leaving the EU will have a greater impact on the UK than did WW2...

Might food cost more? Probably. Might there be some logistical problems - possibly leading to some items out of stock for a long time? Possibly. But the absence of food that would put people's lives at risk??!? Not even Venezuela managed it this quickly.

[Fragony]

Ah, a leaked report. By knowologues with phd's who should be gently but firmly be escorted to they comfort-space no doubt. Marmite will be more expensive though and you brits do need that tiamide aka b1 that's in it. Hardly a punnishment to pay more for a generously butter-spread toast with carefully spread marmite on it, yummie.

[Husar]

The EU is in shambles.

This may actually be true, but I think we would heavily differ on the reasons for that.

[Fragony]

This may actually be true, but I think we would heavily differ on the reasons for that.

As long is it doesn't get scary that's ok no? That's the thing really, eurocrats are scared and we can hardly call them a cornered cat anymore

[Pannonian]

A leaked report states that if there's a "hard" Brexit the UK will run out of food within c. 6 weeks. The news articled did not mention whether this is due to the collapse of the pound (which was due to happen when we didn't join the Euro) or else that there is no food in the world that could be purchased.

That's right folks - leaving the EU will have a greater impact on the UK than did WW2...

Might food cost more? Probably. Might there be some logistical problems - possibly leading to some items out of stock for a long time? Possibly. But the absence of food that would put people's lives at risk??!? Not even Venezuela managed it this quickly.

WWI might be a better comparison. Drawing from the lessons of WWI, WWII started with immediate rationing and other aspects of a command economy, so as to make most efficient use of limited resources. WWI began with the assumption of continued normality. When the u-boat blockade bit, something that won't be a factor here, resources became more limited than people were accustomed to, something that will have a parallel here, and a black market arose that both benefited those with needed resources and prompted a panicked run on said resources. Something that we can expect some degree of once the logistical chain breaks down all round. I can point you to the internal blockade of oil refineries in the early 2000s, which was a controlled tightening on a single resource, and the chaos that prompted. With a no-deal Brexit, you can expect that to repeat, except that it will happen across the spectrum, and it won't be called off once the lorry drivers have reached an agreement.

Oh, and none of the current politicians are a patch on the War Cabinet of 1939. Or even the one in 1914. And I expect people will be less tolerant of central control either. So expect a repeat of the oil blockade of 2000, but worse, affecting all aspects of life.

[Pannonian]

Farage being investigated for manipulating the markets on the night of the referendum. Some pretty odd behaviour from him on the night, while some of his backers made fairly vast amounts on the movement of the markets.

[Fragony]

Perhaps because they expected the outcome to be the way it is? That's not manipulation that is how it works. It changes if prior knowledge on the outcome is there, but there isn't, nothing but sour empty hands

[Pannonian]

Perhaps because they expected the outcome to be the way it is? That's not manipulation that is how it works. It changes if prior knowledge on the outcome is there, but there isn't, nothing but sour empty hands

There ya go.

[Fragony]

There ya go.

No I don't, it's risky to anticipate, very risky. Maybe I am wrong, don't hold it against me if I am, but it was pretty much expected that the Brits would vote for a brexit. These kind of things can make markets go crazy. There is a hidden insuation that the outcome of the referendum isn't legitimate in this inquiry and that is foul play imo, want to know more but expect to get little

[Pannonian]

No I don't, it's risky to anticipate, very risky. Maybe I am wrong, don't hold it against me if I am, but it was pretty much expected that the Brits would vote for a brexit. These kind of things can make markets go crazy. There is a hidden insuation that the outcome of the referendum isn't legitimate in this inquiry and that is foul play imo, want to know more but expect to get little

Nail on the head. In retrospect some pretty odd behaviour from Farage on the night indeed. In contrast with the Turkish opposition in the election just gone, which is more typical.

[Pannonian]

Sometimes you wake up and there is something you don't recognise next to you, this time it's a EU army, how did that get here I wasn't that drunk but there it is and it's not leaving after an awkward cup of coffee

Nine EU member states have agreed to establish a European military force for rapid deployment in times of crisis, an initiative which has won the backing of the UK as it seeks to maintain defence ties after Brexit.

Spearheaded by the French president, Emmanuel Macron, the joint enterprise will allow national armed forces across Europe to coordinate and react swiftly together.

Ministers from France, Germany, Belgium, Britain, Denmark, the Netherlands, Estonia, Spain and Portugal signed a letter of intent in Luxembourg on Monday.

Thank goodness we've left the EU, or else we might have been forced to participate. Hang on, what was that? We've actually asked to participate? And other, actual EU members, don't have to participate?

[Fragony]

Thank goodness we've left the EU, or else we might have been forced to participate. Hang on, what was that? We've actually asked to participate? And other, actual EU members, don't have to participate?

So it is a such a total mess nobody can understand it anymore, that? Hiding in plain sight, but ohohoh how populist of you to not trust them.

[Pannonian]

And now BMW have said that its UK plants will close if supply chains stop at the border. How many will there have to be before Leavers admit that Brexit is a bad idea?

[Furunculus]

And now BMW have said that its UK plants will close if supply chains stop at the border. How many will there have to be before Leavers admit that Brexit is a bad idea?

Will you forgive me if I say this comes across as very Chicken Little?

If we want independent self government then we can damn well have it. :)