Turkish Democracy - on the brink

**Fragony** · 03-12-2017, 13:05

Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

Wow, this is really getting quite serious, isn't it?

I read an article, which I now can't find, about how all this plays in Erodogen's favour back in Turkey, making it more likely he'll win the referendum. However, there's not a lot European nations can do other than what they are doing - especially as the Turkish ministers are breaching Turkish law.

Went down pretty calm here, few arrests. I don't know if this is good for Erdogan as he didn't get away with it

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 03-12-2017, 17:43

Anything that shows the West to be unsupportive of Turkish "Honor," can be spun to enhance Erdogan's position internally. No tactical win is necessary. The "strangers don't like and respect us" card has been a political staple since Sargon, if not earlier.

After the failed coup, I pretty well wrote Turkey off as a "Western" nation, at least for the time being. I don't think they will go full Sharia and discard parliamentary governance entirely, but they will trend that way a good bit for some time. Interesting to see if they will stay NATO with all of this...but I have my doubts as NATO is conflated with "America's lackies" in too many Arab/Islamic minds.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-12-2017, 21:37

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Anything that shows the West to be unsupportive of Turkish "Honor," can be spun to enhance Erdogan's position internally. No tactical win is necessary. The "strangers don't like and respect us" card has been a political staple since Sargon, if not earlier.

After the failed coup, I pretty well wrote Turkey off as a "Western" nation, at least for the time being. I don't think they will go full Sharia and discard parliamentary governance entirely, but they will trend that way a good bit for some time. Interesting to see if they will stay NATO with all of this...but I have my doubts as NATO is conflated with "America's lackies" in too many Arab/Islamic minds.

Pretty much.

Turkey's president may not be clever, but he is cunning. All that matters right now is winning this Referendum, he calculates he can repair most of this damage afterwards, I wager.

He may be in for some disappointment.

**Gilrandir** · 03-13-2017, 13:19

Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

Turkey's president may not be clever, but he is cunning. All that matters right now is winning this Referendum, he calculates he can repair most of this damage afterwards, I wager.

When he sees it expedient he can alwasys reverse his judgements and actions. The way he did with Russia and the plane Turks brought down in Syria.

**Fragony** · 03-15-2017, 10:49

lol ok mr Erdogan you are absolutily right, the Dutch are nazi's who killed 8000 muslims in Sebrenica.

3x50mg Oxazepam dailly I'd say

Nothing like a good diplomatic dispute with a grandeurish Turk

edit, you couldn't make it up, we didn't just kill them we also sold their organs according to Turkey. Do they really WANT to look like idiots. Turkey understands propaganda, everybody ought to know it's nonsense, propaganda is disempowerment, you know it's nonsense but you can do nothing about it. Even North-Koreans understand that their great leader didn't strike a hole in one the first time he tried golf and that he couldn't drive a car when he was 3

**Beskar** · 03-15-2017, 23:07

Originally Posted by Fragony

3x50mg Oxazepam dailly I'd say

Not sure why you identified that drug. Wouldn't Haloperidol be a better choice?

**Fragony** · 03-15-2017, 23:33

Originally Posted by Beskar

Not sure why you identified that drug. Wouldn't Haloperidol be a better choice?

Sure is funnier to say

**Sarmatian** · 03-21-2017, 23:29

Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

He may be in for some disappointment.

I sincerely doubt that. Turkey's too important for NATO, so he just needs to refrain from doing something incredibly stupid, like starting an all out unprovoked war. Unless he manages to alienate NATO, Russia and the Middle East at the same time, he's pretty much sultan for life.

**Beskar** · 03-13-2017, 01:12

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

After the failed coup, I pretty well wrote Turkey off as a "Western" nation, at least for the time being. I don't think they will go full Sharia and discard parliamentary governance entirely, but they will trend that way a good bit for some time. Interesting to see if they will stay NATO with all of this...but I have my doubts as NATO is conflated with "America's lackies" in too many Arab/Islamic minds.

I got to admit, LEN was the one who advocated that position that they weren't since I joined the Org, so my opinion was influenced by him and formed my political opinion as he is the resident Turk.