Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
Anything that shows the West to be unsupportive of Turkish "Honor," can be spun to enhance Erdogan's position internally. No tactical win is necessary. The "strangers don't like and respect us" card has been a political staple since Sargon, if not earlier.
After the failed coup, I pretty well wrote Turkey off as a "Western" nation, at least for the time being. I don't think they will go full Sharia and discard parliamentary governance entirely, but they will trend that way a good bit for some time. Interesting to see if they will stay NATO with all of this...but I have my doubts as NATO is conflated with "America's lackies" in too many Arab/Islamic minds.
Pretty much.
Turkey's president may not be clever, but he is cunning. All that matters right now is winning this Referendum, he calculates he can repair most of this damage afterwards, I wager.
He may be in for some disappointment.
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
After the failed coup, I pretty well wrote Turkey off as a "Western" nation, at least for the time being. I don't think they will go full Sharia and discard parliamentary governance entirely, but they will trend that way a good bit for some time. Interesting to see if they will stay NATO with all of this...but I have my doubts as NATO is conflated with "America's lackies" in too many Arab/Islamic minds.
I got to admit, LEN was the one who advocated that position that they weren't since I joined the Org, so my opinion was influenced by him and formed my political opinion as he is the resident Turk.
Gilrandir 13:19 03-13-2017
Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus:
Turkey's president may not be clever, but he is cunning. All that matters right now is winning this Referendum, he calculates he can repair most of this damage afterwards, I wager.
When he sees it expedient he can alwasys reverse his judgements and actions. The way he did with Russia and the plane Turks brought down in Syria.
lol ok mr Erdogan you are absolutily right, the Dutch are nazi's who killed 8000 muslims in Sebrenica.
3x50mg Oxazepam dailly I'd say
Nothing like a good diplomatic dispute with a grandeurish Turk
edit, you couldn't make it up, we didn't just kill them we also sold their organs according to Turkey. Do they really WANT to look like idiots. Turkey understands propaganda, everybody ought to know it's nonsense, propaganda is disempowerment, you know it's nonsense but you can do nothing about it. Even North-Koreans understand that their great leader didn't strike a hole in one the first time he tried golf and that he couldn't drive a car when he was 3
Originally Posted by Fragony:
3x50mg Oxazepam dailly I'd say
Not sure why you identified that drug. Wouldn't Haloperidol be a better choice?
Originally Posted by Beskar:
Not sure why you identified that drug. Wouldn't Haloperidol be a better choice?
Sure is funnier to say
Sarmatian 23:29 03-21-2017
Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus:
He may be in for some disappointment.
I sincerely doubt that. Turkey's too important for NATO, so he just needs to refrain from doing something incredibly stupid, like starting an all out unprovoked war. Unless he manages to alienate NATO, Russia and the Middle East at the same time, he's pretty much sultan for life.
Kralizec 17:18 03-22-2017
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
This brings up the question of why there are so many unassimilated turks in one dutch city.
The obvious explanation is that the Turkish government encouraged them to protest, and that they're not only from Rotterdam.
But there's more to it, of course. In the sixties through the seventies, the Dutch government tended to accomodate Turkish organisations (meaning with roots in Turkey itself) who wanted to operate here. This includes islamic istitutions who wanted to build mosques for migrants, but also some nationalist clubs.
Mostly this was due to naive optimism about integration, thinking that those organisations could help. The result is mixed at best, since those organisations also fostered bonds with Turkey. Partly, it also because many people expected that the Turkish migrants would one day pack up and return to Turkey.
Sums it up.
But all this is getting even funnier, Norway supposedly wants to give Gülen-supporters (that means everybody who is again the neo-sultan) political asylum. Hell hath no fury like a Turk feeling dishonored so we are going to hear some wild things from that supermarketfloorrolltoddler
Big LOL@the neosultan, a kids book offends him. Truly. Must be gülen-kids in Austria. Europhiles were so angry when Wilders called Erdogan a total freak, but let's add things up. Ah well let's just don't. Yeah, we Dutch are nazi's, we killed those muslims in Sebrenica, and we used to bury muslim children alive. If only that was everything. Can a sane Turk please shoot him.
Seamus Fermanagh 04:30 04-17-2017
Turkish voters vote to support increased presidential power.
Link
Montmorency 05:19 04-17-2017
These are the days for famous narrow victories.
I wonder how many Turks were afraid of getting on a 'gulen supporter' list, but then again, Turks are fiercily nationalistic and Erdogan brings some grandeur.
RIP Turkish Democracy.
Next up - reinstatement of the death penalty.
Well it's democracy even when rigged and intimidation was the key component. They are not going to like what happens next, tourism will freeze because of the Erdokhans outbursts and there isn't really anything else worth looking for. That big country is an economic midget with no friends. A big army that will make their treassury cough up blood the second they start their engines and I bet the Kurds can already smell it, as does the army itself probably, happy civil-war dear neosultan, nice palace by the way, really big. Adieu erdokhan may you live in interesting times
Montmorency 11:50 04-17-2017
Originally Posted by :
the Erdokhans
That's a new one from you. I like it. Actually a great pun considering the Turkish phonetics of his name.
Originally Posted by Montmorency:
That's a new one from you. I like it. Actually a great pun considering the Turkish phonetics of his name.
Would I ever dissapoint you. Please don't answer
Last I saw, 63% of Turks in Germany voted yes...
Then again I wonder whether the number was even reliable or changed a bit to create a rift between Germans and Turks.
Sounds crazy, but so do reports from Turkey from election observers. In Kurdish regions, police and military were inside the polling stations.
In several provinces, votes without official polling papers were counted due to alleged mistakes of the local officials in conducting the polling. The polling authorities just accepted this.
In other provinces, observers were not allowed into any of the polling stations while in yet other provinces, they reported that voters were forced to vote openly and not in secret...
It sounds a bit like the vote in Crimea, except that it was still close this time.
Edit: Almost forgot: One of the opposition parties had problems getting enough polling observers in some parts of the country because their people are all in jail...
Gilrandir 10:50 04-18-2017
Originally Posted by Fragony:
They are not going to like what happens next, tourism will freeze because of the Erdokhans outbursts and there isn't really anything else worth looking for.
I doubt that. Turks take great pains to let tourism fluorish irrespective of the political situation (and even terroristic attacks). When Erdogan saw Russia introduce a ban on tourist trips to Turkey (after the Russian plane was downed) it didn't take him long to make it up with Putin for him to open the sluice again.
Originally Posted by Gilrandir:
I doubt that. Turks take great pains to let tourism fluorish irrespective of the political situation (and even terroristic attacks). When Erdogan saw Russia introduce a ban on tourist trips to Turkey (after the Russian plane was downed) it didn't take him long to make it up with Putin for him to open the sluice again.
We will see I guess. Erdogan's rethoric has been so openly hostile, especially against Netherlands and Germany, that tourism might take a nosedive. Early prognoses look very bad at the moment for Turkish tourism at least, people are afraid to go there right now, the tourists who go there don't go there to watch the Haggia Sophia but for beaches and swimming pools. Funny that you mention Russians as that's also a reason don't want to go anymore, not that I have seen it myself and it needs a 'not all Russians are like that', but supposedly it aren't exactly the classy types so to say, Russians are even worse than the Brittish and that's saying a lot
Gilrandir 14:55 04-18-2017
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Funny that you mention Russians as that's also a reason don't want to go anymore, not that I have seen it myself and it needs a 'not all Russians are like that', but supposedly it aren't exactly the classy types so to say, Russians are even worse than the Brittish and that's saying a lot
I heard some hotels sport a sign saying something like "we have a restful atmosphere as we don't accomodate Russians". It was said about some European hotels though (Czech, IIRC), Turks have always been ready to invite Russian tourists, they are very numerous and consequently one of the chief sources of income.
Sarmatian 15:25 04-18-2017
Nevertheless, Turkey saw a huge dip in number of tourists in 2016, something close to 25%, compared to 2015. A huge part of that is fewer Russian tourists, but also from Germany and UK.
On the other hand, more Ukrainians visited in 2016, and tourists from Ukraine are now more numerous than Russian tourists.
Originally Posted by Gilrandir:
I heard some hotels sport a sign saying something like "we have a restful atmosphere as we don't accomodate Russians". It was said about some European hotels though (Czech, IIRC), Turks have always been ready to invite Russian tourists, they are very numerous and consequently one of the chief sources of income.
Mobsters, bringing whores etc. Big bulky types with more paint on their skin than than the pages of an average book, all covered with white-power tatoes. Dangerous people.
Pannonian 15:59 04-18-2017
Originally Posted by Sarmatian:
Nevertheless, Turkey saw a huge dip in number of tourists in 2016, something close to 25%, compared to 2015. A huge part of that is fewer Russian tourists, but also from Germany and UK.
On the other hand, more Ukrainians visited in 2016, and tourists from Ukraine are now more numerous than Russian tourists.
What about Russian tourists from what used to be Ukraine?
Croatia>Turkey anyway. If you must transverse the orient, go there.
Seamus Fermanagh 18:34 04-18-2017
Originally Posted by Gilrandir:
I doubt that. Turks take great pains to let tourism fluorish irrespective of the political situation (and even terroristic attacks). When Erdogan saw Russia introduce a ban on tourist trips to Turkey (after the Russian plane was downed) it didn't take him long to make it up with Putin for him to open the sluice again.
Do not doubt it. My wife have planned for a Greek islands cruise for decades to celebrate our 25th this June. When she booked the cruise this January, she purposefully chose a route that did NOT call in Turkey so as to avoid complications.
Sarmatian 21:30 04-18-2017
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
Do not doubt it. My wife have planned for a Greek islands cruise for decades to celebrate our 25th this June. When she booked the cruise this January, she purposefully chose a route that did NOT call in Turkey so as to avoid complications.
Congratulations.
Greek islands are beautiful, especially if you're interested in history.
Furunculus 21:46 04-18-2017
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
Do not doubt it. My wife have planned for a Greek islands cruise for decades to celebrate our 25th this June. When she booked the cruise this January, she purposefully chose a route that did NOT call in Turkey so as to avoid complications.
Make sure you hit Valetta and Rhodes, those towns can easily justify a week apiece.
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
Do not doubt it. My wife have planned for a Greek islands cruise for decades to celebrate our 25th this June. When she booked the cruise this January, she purposefully chose a route that did NOT call in Turkey so as to avoid complications.
Yiuve been married as long as I have been alive.
Seamus Fermanagh 23:55 04-18-2017
Originally Posted by Strike For The South:
Yiuve been married as long as I have been alive.
She completes me. I have been exceedingly fortunate.
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