Turkish Democracy - on the brink

[Beskar]

The extreme right that could be violent is so marginal that they aren't even worthly of any consideration whatsoever

Out of the three recent terrorist attacks in London, 2 were done by Muslims, 1 was done by extreme-right. So "Not worthy of consideration" would be incorrect, especially given the attention you place upon the Muslim population by comparison.

[Fragony]

Out of the three recent terrorist attacks in London, 2 were done by Muslims, 1 was done by extreme-right. So "Not worthy of consideration" would be incorrect, especially given the attention you place upon the Muslim population by comparison.

I am not nearly as fixated as you make it sound. It are the people who relativate horrible tnings that frighten me. I myself scare me because I agree with a lot that Breivik psycho said about cultural marxism. That terrorism and violence is almost exclusive to muslims and leftists is simply a fact

[Beskar]

That terrorism and violence is almost exclusive to muslims and leftists is simply a fact

Now that is simply silly Fragony. I know that you know better than that.

Yes, there are such things as Left-wing terrorism but you cite examples like Brevik, a high-profile right-wing case, when Left-wing terrorism is more like the environmentalists camped outside of the road down my street protesting against fracking and climbing upon vehicles and battling local farmers who are spraying sewage at them to get them off their land. Different kettle of fish.

So your "simply a fact" is wrong.

[Pannonian]

Now that is simply silly Fragony. I know that you know better than that.

Yes, there are such things as Left-wing terrorism but you cite examples like Brevik, a high-profile right-wing case, when Left-wing terrorism is more like the environmentalists camped outside of the road down my street protesting against fracking and climbing upon vehicles and battling local farmers who are spraying sewage at them to get them off their land. Different kettle of fish.

So your "simply a fact" is wrong.

Western liberals and socialists, where they consort with terrorism, tend to sympathise with and excuse terrorists rather than indulge in the pastime themselves. And that, they do plenty of.

[Fragony]

Now that is simply silly Fragony. I know that you know better than that.

Yes, there are such things as Left-wing terrorism but you cite examples like Brevik, a high-profile right-wing case, when Left-wing terrorism is more like the environmentalists camped outside of the road down my street protesting against fracking and climbing upon vehicles and battling local farmers who are spraying sewage at them to get them off their land. Different kettle of fish.

So your "simply a fact" is wrong.

Leftist terrorism doesn't really exist, not the RAF type at least. But violence and intimidation absolutily does, tnese 'anitifacists' are no angels and come with great numbers, just recently in Hamburg more than a hundred police-officers were injured, some will never be ok again, beaten with iron staves, even set on fire.

That's the violence part. Actual terrorism not a muslim thing mostly, common, just because most muslims are nice people doesn't mean that terrorism is almost exclusive to muslims. You aren't doing anyone a favour when denying that, especially the normal ones who only care about what's for dinner. That's the other problem with leftists, they confuse what is with how they want things to be. I also want things to be like that, but things aren't

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

*Attaches chain, drags thread back on topic.*

If you want to debate the virtues of Socialist Apologists start your own threads.

Turkey, last I heard they were seizing Chalcedeen Churches to turn into Mosques.

I think we can downgrade Turkey from "slippery slope" to "Despotic Fascist State."

It's 26/07/2017 and the President of Turkey might just be a bigger Fascist than Putin.

[LeftEyeNine]

*Attaches chain, drags thread back on topic.*

If you want to debate the virtues of Socialist Apologists start your own threads.

Turkey, last I heard they were seizing Chalcedeen Churches to turn into Mosques.

I think we can downgrade Turkey from "slippery slope" to "Despotic Fascist State."

It's 26/07/2017 and the President of Turkey might just be a bigger Fascist than Putin.

Oh well, the thing is, Putin is actually an educated and smart guy, while being all the despot he is, ruthless against opposition, he actually can strengthen his own country. (No, I do not vote for such a figure, no matter what)

Erdogan, on the other hand, is more like Mussolini, some uneducated ad mythomaniac idiot watching himself in a magnifying mirror of whom actions did no less than destabilizing its economy, wasting 15 years on construction sector only, piling up his own riches, making cocky statements against USA/Russia/EU/whomever to be used for his "world leader" image in the country, eventually backtracking every single time.

Serious state-wide power, not some paper-tiger level like Turkey's been turned into, would be ultimately dangerous in his hands, far worse you could imagine than Putin could ever be. He's actually Abou Kim Jong-ûl Un of which country's geopolitical position is far too entangled with others to be ignored - that works both for and against him.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

It is sad when the discussion drops down to the QUALITY of the fascism involved...I am sad for Turkey.

[Fragony]

Oh well, the thing is, Putin is actually an educated and smart guy, while being all the despot he is, ruthless against opposition, he actually can strengthen his own country. (No, I do not vote for such a figure, no matter what)

Erdogan, on the other hand, is more like Mussolini, some uneducated ad mythomaniac idiot watching himself in a magnifying mirror of whom actions did no less than destabilizing its economy, wasting 15 years on construction sector only, piling up his own riches, making cocky statements against USA/Russia/EU/whomever to be used for his "world leader" image in the country, eventually backtracking every single time.

Serious state-wide power, not some paper-tiger level like Turkey's been turned into, would be ultimately dangerous in his hands, far worse you could imagine than Putin could ever be. He's actually Abou Kim Jong-ûl Un of whom country's geopolitical position is far too entangled with others to be ignored - that works both for and against him.

Be carefull effendi, what you say doesn't go unnoticed, before you know it you will be a Gülen-supporter. Be more carefull please, I would be really sad if you meet 'your countrymen'