I cannot post my error log.

[magnificent walrus]

Europa Barbarorum II crashed and a modal window appeared telling me to upload my error log here. I registered to post my error log, but I don't have permission to post attachments.* I think you should specify that only forum members with privileges should post their error logs, because I registered only for this purpose, thinking I could help you. Is there a way I can send my error log to the people concerned or should I delete my account?
I've once read that error logs are much more valuable than any other description, but I can provide details surrounding the crashes I've encountered if anyone seems interested before I delete my account.

*: My only post is a reply to the introduction thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...uction%29-v-IV

Edit: Now that I have permission, I attached the error log.

[aaronp]

Hiya, you might be able to use a service like pastebin.com, then post a link here in a bug report.

[QuintusSertorius]

There's a minimum number of posts before you can paste attachments, I think. There's also a filesize limit, so if it's over 10MB you need to compress it. If you can't attach to a post, host it on MediaFire or Dropbox or the like.

Descriptions are pretty much useless, I'm afraid; no log, no diagnosis. Even then I can't make any guarantees, but without one I can't tell you anything at all.

[magnificent walrus]

I compressed it to zip as instructed. Here is the link to my cloud upload: https://cloud.openmailbox.org/index....s1fJHTNNRoD80p
I can also give information about my installation, because I'm not even sure that the log makes it clear that I'm using Wine, for example. Also, I would understand if you did not support Wine etc. Maybe, I can message the original poster of the thread about running Europa Barbarorum II on Linux, if my problems are specific to my installation.

Edit: I deleted my upload (So, the link is broken.) and attached it to the original post instead.

[QuintusSertorius]

Unfortunately, there's nothing particularly unusual in your log - nothing that would explain the crash. Given the amount of time between the last error and the crash (almost half an hour, which is an eternity in processor-time), you may simply have run out of memory.

Are you using Large Address Aware, CFF Explorer or a 4GB patch?

[magnificent walrus]

Unfortunately, there's nothing particularly unusual in your log - nothing that would explain the crash. Given the amount of time between the last error and the crash (almost half an hour, which is an eternity in processor-time), you may simply have run out of memory.

Are you using Large Address Aware, CFF Explorer or a 4GB patch?

Thank you for looking at my problem :) It seems that I was right in my suspicion that I should both provide a description and information about my installation.
First, I should mention that I reinstalled everything (I messed up Wine altogether while trying to install Java 8 in order to run the other bat files, which I didn't succeed at, and had to reinstall everything.) and this installation seems to behave differently so far.

I don't know the things (programs?) you asked if I had; I am not a very technical person. I looked them up on the Internet and they seem to allow 64-bit users to run 32-bit programs. My computer is 32-bit and has 2GB RAM I think (instead of the 4GB you seem to assume I have). My computer is Acer Extensa 5635Z, which is 8 years old, I think. My operating system is Debian GNU/Linux. I'm not using windowed mode, because it behaves strangely on my installation and still crashes when I move the focus away from the kingdoms.exe

I had looked at my log out of curiosity and (even though I am not a technical person) I too realized that there was too little detail there. Anyway, I know that all three crashes I had happened when I was besieging and I was attacked by a relief force and won and was expecting to capture the settlement as a result. In my first campaign I was playing as Saka Rauka and took two settlements and besieged the settlement in the northern Tarim Basin. After the crash I loaded my last save but the game froze every time I won against the rebel relief force that invariably attacked me. The second time, I was Pergamon and took one settlement and besieged the Galatians. Again, the game crashed after I won against the rebel relief force and the campaign screen loaded after finishing the battle. The third time, I was Pritanoi and I took one settlement and besieged the settlement in the southeast of Britain and my hard won victory against the relief full stack plus the settlement garrison was again for naught. I also tried reloading in my Pergamon campaign and doing different things before ending my turn but the game crashes every time the campaign screen loads and I expect to capture the settlement because the defeated rebel armies cannot retreat and the survivors (even if more than 15% of the pre-battle army) must disband. I don't know if I'd have the same problem in the unmodified game, I didn't test it.

Also, during installation of Medieval II and Kingdoms expansion I got some errors both from Wine and the installer. I sometimes get other crashes but nothing unavoidable apart from this.

Edit: I started my first campaign as Pergamon on my new (re)installation. Again, I took Nikaia. This time instead of searching for field armies in Galatia, I positioned my army on my side of the border and directly went to besiege Ankyra from there the next turn. I was attacked by a relief full-stack and won. The campaign screen loaded in just a slightly longer time than usual and both characters representing the armies that fought me (the relief and the garrison forces) groaned, died, and perished from the campaign map. Then, a strange thing happened. If Galatians didn't attack me straight away, I think the independence script would bolster their besieged garrison. But that doesn't happen before the rebels first play their turn I think and so they fought me before that, allowing me to capture the settlement. The glitch though is that after the characters representing their armies perished and before I captured the settlement the independence script fired but they were moved out of the the settlement to allow me to capture it. So, effectively, they spawned too late just outside the settlement I captured.
On a slightly unrelated note, I don't understand the reform requirements, the threads on Total War Center and the The Org differ, I think one of them refers to an older version. Plus, I want to remain as a Seleucid satrap if possible but I must capture their Anatolian settlements I think. By the way I wasn't asked to pay tribute to them like I heard Hayasdan and Baktria do, is it because they already have the shakedown event or because of historical considerations? Anyway, in this campaign I captured Ankyra before I got any shakedown event. I don't know if it was too early and I should've fought some field battles in Ankyra, that's why I'm asking about the reforms.
By the way, I read your official forum was here so I registered, but Total War Center seems to have more information and many threads are duplicated on both forums (which sometimes differ as I mentioned above), so which one should I check?

[QuintusSertorius]

Ah, then the root of your instability might be insufficient memory. EBII is a memory-hungry mod, the required 2GB for M2TW isn't really enough. It uses a lot more memory than the vanilla game.

The game is also much more stable in windowed, borderless window mode.

[magnificent walrus]

Ah, then the root of your instability might be insufficient memory. EBII is a memory-hungry mod, the required 2GB for M2TW isn't really enough. It uses a lot more memory than the vanilla game.

The game is also much more stable in windowed, borderless window mode.

I'm not sure if you've read the rest of my post, so I'm going to summarize it here for you (sorry if it was too long):

I do sometimes get a crash when a battle takes too long (typically when I micromanage too much) and I do attribute it to memory, but that's not unavoidable. If I load my save, I can replay it without crashes. I did notice that EBII is resource-hungry by its size on my disk and its loading times, but that's not a problem for me. By the way, I'm playing on the lowest video settings (except for wide-screen and the highest resolution because my computer has exactly that resolution) and with medium unit scale (I don't know if that setting makes a difference though (whether the mod overwrites it regardless of your chosen scale) or which one the EBII team recommends; the unit sizes still seem pretty large to me and armies take up a decent chunk of the battlefield.).
On the other hand, the situation I described in my original post was unavoidable. Whenever I was attacked by a relief force when besieging a settlement and won, the game crashed and each time it crashed right after loading the campaign screen.

First, I should remind that I'm running the Windows version of Medieval II on Linux using Wine, so things might affect me differently.
I would love to use windowed mode but it still crashes when I move the focus away (so it has no benefit to me) and it's actually buggy in windowed mode (and not otherwise) in my case. By the way, I cannot use the other launchers because I couldn't install Java 8 on Wine; so I edit ebii.cfg to toggle windowed mode. I also don't know if toggling borderless mode makes any difference when not in windowed mode but it's on (borderless_window = 1) by default.

Anyways, as I've said, I reinstalled the game (everything including Wine) and was able to capture Ankyra as Pergamon after being attacked by a relief force. So my problem seems to be solved but I also informed you about a glitch I've noticed relating to version 2.2i onwards (which you've announced ), so perhaps you might want to skim my rather long post and maybe answer the question at the end of it too :)

[aaronp]

I do sometimes get a crash when a battle takes too long (typically when I micromanage too much) and I do attribute it to memory, but that's not unavoidable. If I load my save, I can replay it without crashes. I did notice that EBII is resource-hungry by its size on my disk and its loading times, but that's not a problem for me.

The problem is that the M2 binary could simply fail to allocate memory, and then crash without warning. There's nothing the EB II team can do about this.

Wine doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it this crash. Pretty much any non-trivial application is going to spit out wine-related warnings. Anyway, any difference between Windows behavior and Wine behavior should be reported on the wine bugtracker, though I don't necessarily think this applies.

[magnificent walrus]

The problem is that the M2 binary could simply fail to allocate memory, and then crash without warning. There's nothing the EB II team can do about this.

Wine doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it this crash. Pretty much any non-trivial application is going to spit out wine-related warnings. Anyway, any difference between Windows behavior and Wine behavior should be reported on the wine bugtracker, though I don't necessarily think this applies.

I don't think memory was the point of my post at all but both you and QuintusSertorius dwell on that point for some reason. Anyway, I'll still try to answer you.
I think it's kingdoms.exe running not medieval2.exe by the way.
I may sometimes get a crash due to memory. Although I'm not a technical person I'm almost sure that the problems I mentioned in this thread are not due to memory and I explained the circumstances of the repeated crash. Because it seems to be solved after I reinstalled everything, I think it was not a bug on the EBII team's part. Also, if there were such a bug, because it is game-breaking, I think it would be noticed and reported much earlier.
Do you mean that Wine is as good as running it on Windows? I didn't think my crash was due to running it on Wine just because the modal window was created by Wine (I'm not THAT unknowledgeable in technical stuff) but because, understandably and as I've heard everybody else say, Wine has its limitations. By the way, one can report application specific Wine issues on this site: https://appdb.winehq.org/ I haven't registered and submitted anything there yet but as I've said, my problem seems to be gone after reinstalling anyway so I don't know (and can't investigate further) what was the cause of my problem now.

[QuintusSertorius]

I'm not sure if you've read the rest of my post, so I'm going to summarize it here for you (sorry if it was too long):

I do sometimes get a crash when a battle takes too long (typically when I micromanage too much) and I do attribute it to memory, but that's not unavoidable. If I load my save, I can replay it without crashes. I did notice that EBII is resource-hungry by its size on my disk and its loading times, but that's not a problem for me. By the way, I'm playing on the lowest video settings (except for wide-screen and the highest resolution because my computer has exactly that resolution) and with medium unit scale (I don't know if that setting makes a difference though (whether the mod overwrites it regardless of your chosen scale) or which one the EBII team recommends; the unit sizes still seem pretty large to me and armies take up a decent chunk of the battlefield.).
On the other hand, the situation I described in my original post was unavoidable. Whenever I was attacked by a relief force when besieging a settlement and won, the game crashed and each time it crashed right after loading the campaign screen.

First, I should remind that I'm running the Windows version of Medieval II on Linux using Wine, so things might affect me differently.
I would love to use windowed mode but it still crashes when I move the focus away (so it has no benefit to me) and it's actually buggy in windowed mode (and not otherwise) in my case. By the way, I cannot use the other launchers because I couldn't install Java 8 on Wine; so I edit ebii.cfg to toggle windowed mode. I also don't know if toggling borderless mode makes any difference when not in windowed mode but it's on (borderless_window = 1) by default.

Anyways, as I've said, I reinstalled the game (everything including Wine) and was able to capture Ankyra as Pergamon after being attacked by a relief force. So my problem seems to be solved but I also informed you about a glitch I've noticed relating to version 2.2i onwards (which you've announced ), so perhaps you might want to skim my rather long post and maybe answer the question at the end of it too :)

I didn't skim your post, most of the things you're highlighting aren't really relevant. Relief battles require more processor and memory, that's unavoidable.

You're running an old machine with insufficient memory and a 32-bit operating system. The vast majority of people playing EBII are doing so with newer 64-bit operating systems and 4GB+ of memory. One of the most common crashes come from M2TW's native inability to use more than 2GB of RAM, which is why I was recommending LAA or an equivalent, because it makes the game much more stable.

Furthermore, running in borderless, windowed mode is also much more stable, you shouldn't be switching the focus away for any reason if you want the game to be as stable as possible. Alt+Tab-ing in and out of the game causes crashes.

Running it on a weird OS just increases the level of complication. Sorry, but I don't know what to suggest, your setup is a long way outside what is usual. I run my game on 64-bit Win 7, using a retail version, not Steam.

[magnificent walrus]

I didn't skim your post, most of the things you're highlighting aren't really relevant. Relief battles require more processor and memory, that's unavoidable.

You're running an old machine with insufficient memory and a 32-bit operating system. The vast majority of people playing EBII are doing so with newer 64-bit operating systems and 4GB+ of memory. One of the most common crashes come from M2TW's native inability to use more than 2GB of RAM, which is why I was recommending LAA or an equivalent, because it makes the game much more stable.

Furthermore, running in borderless, windowed mode is also much more stable, you shouldn't be switching the focus away for any reason if you want the game to be as stable as possible. Alt+Tab-ing in and out of the game causes crashes.

Running it on a weird OS just increases the level of complication. Sorry, but I don't know what to suggest, your setup is a long way outside what is usual. I run my game on 64-bit Win 7, using a retail version, not Steam.

Before I reinstalled everything, it would crash right after loading the campaign screen after a battle against a relief force. If it were due to memory, the crash would occur when the memory's exceeded and it would most likely be during the battle. So, it's not due to memory but a condition triggered when you win against a relief force. Anyway, the issue isn't important because after I reinstalled it didn't occur again (So, the problem is neither with EB nor Wine.).

When I saw moving the focus away causes crashes, I stopped doing it, it's OK now. What I said was that running it on windowed mode introduces buggy behavior in my case, which's unfortunately hardly bearable. Also, I think that buggy behavior is actually indication of more instability of windowed mode on my installation. I'm happy for you that it normally increases stability but I think it's just the opposite in my case. Also, I don't get random crashes very often (at least not so far), so you don't have to worry about me :) Still, thank you very much.

When did Debian come to be called a weird distribution? :D Of course, I knew that Wine would have its limitations and said I would understand if you didn't support Wine and I thank you regardless. I also use the retail version and thought that using a machine near as old as the game would actually be advantageous :D Anyway, it's no matter.

Why do you think they are not relevant? I did ask a few unrelated minor questions but I thought that was common practice on these forums, would you rather I posted them separately? I think these were the minor questions I asked in this thread:
Should I message the original poster of the thread about running Europa Barbarorum II on Linux if my problems are specific to my installation?
What are the reform requirements? I don't understand them, the threads on The Org and Total War Center are different while many stickied threads on other topics are usually the same.
I registered here because your official forum is here, but sometimes Total War Center seem to have more information on a topic. So, which one should I check to get my information?
Is it possible to get the Pergamon reforms while staying as a Seleucid satrap?
I'm not asked to pay tribute to them as Pergamon. Is this because Pergamon already has a shakedown event or because of historical considerations?
I captured Ankyra very early, should I have fought some field battles in Galatia beforehand?
Does toggling borderless window mode make any difference when you're not using windowed mode?

By the way, I hope you saw that I've mentioned an unrelated glitch introduced with version 2.2i and hope it's an easy one to solve for you. If not, it's not a very big deal I guess. After I captured Ankyra, I just attacked the spawned half stack outside the settlement and won easily.
When I'd captured Ankyra (It was my first battle against the Galatians.) I got a message titled "Galatoi Defeated" (sorry if I misspelled). When I attacked this spawned half stack and won, I got the same message again. Is this a glitch or do you get the same message to inform you that your last victory would count towards getting the reforms?

[QuintusSertorius]

Before I reinstalled everything, it would crash right after loading the campaign screen after a battle against a relief force. If it were due to memory, the crash would occur when the memory's exceeded and it would most likely be during the battle. So, it's not due to memory but a condition triggered when you win against a relief force. Anyway, the issue isn't important because after I reinstalled it didn't occur again (So, the problem is neither with EB nor Wine.).

When I saw moving the focus away causes crashes, I stopped doing it, it's OK now. What I said was that running it on windowed mode introduces buggy behavior in my case, which's unfortunately hardly bearable. Also, I think that buggy behavior is actually indication of more instability of windowed mode on my installation. I'm happy for you that it normally increases stability but I think it's just the opposite in my case. Also, I don't get random crashes very often (at least not so far), so you don't have to worry about me :) Still, thank you very much.

When did Debian come to be called a weird distribution? :D Of course, I knew that Wine would have its limitations and said I would understand if you didn't support Wine and I thank you regardless. I also use the retail version and thought that using a machine near as old as the game would actually be advantageous :D Anyway, it's no matter.

Why do you think they are not relevant? I did ask a few unrelated minor questions but I thought that was common practice on these forums, would you rather I posted them separately? I think these were the minor questions I asked in this thread:
Should I message the original poster of the thread about running Europa Barbarorum II on Linux if my problems are specific to my installation?

I know nothing at all about Linux distros, so here is not the right place to ask about how to get it working with EBII.

The position remains that windowed and borderless window are the most stable; if there are specifics to your machine's build that make that not possible, then you'll have to put up with less stability.

What are the reform requirements? I don't understand them, the threads on The Org and Total War Center are different while many stickied threads on other topics are usually the same.
I registered here because your official forum is here, but sometimes Total War Center seem to have more information on a topic. So, which one should I check to get my information?
Is it possible to get the Pergamon reforms while staying as a Seleucid satrap?
I'm not asked to pay tribute to them as Pergamon. Is this because Pergamon already has a shakedown event or because of historical considerations?
I captured Ankyra very early, should I have fought some field battles in Galatia beforehand?
Does toggling borderless window mode make any difference when you're not using windowed mode?

The reform requirements here on The Org are very out of date, use the ones on TWC. TWC is more trafficked and has a lot more current discussion. I only mirror the patches here for completeness, and because sometimes it's more reliable for hosting the links.

As Pergamon, your relationship to the Seleukids doesn't have any impact on the reforms whatsoever. They don't ask for tribute, because their vassal relationship wasn't the same as Hayastan or Baktria. In the main the Seleukids were just happy to have a subservient ally in western Anatolia stopping some other power rising to the ascendancy.

Rushing to capture Ankyra is a bad idea; not only does it not stop Galatian attacks, it makes it harder for you to satisfy the reform conditions by fighting Galatian Rebels in Galatia.

I don't know if borderless window makes a difference on non-windowed mode.

By the way, I hope you saw that I've mentioned an unrelated glitch introduced with version 2.2i and hope it's an easy one to solve for you. If not, it's not a very big deal I guess. After I captured Ankyra, I just attacked the spawned half stack outside the settlement and won easily.
When I'd captured Ankyra (It was my first battle against the Galatians.) I got a message titled "Galatoi Defeated" (sorry if I misspelled). When I attacked this spawned half stack and won, I got the same message again. Is this a glitch or do you get the same message to inform you that your last victory would count towards getting the reforms?

That's not a glitch, that's a notification that you've had a qualifying battle for the reforms. They will pop up each time you have a qualifying one, until you've done enough. They stop when you no longer need victories against the Galatians.

[magnificent walrus]

I know nothing at all about Linux distros, so here is not the right place to ask about how to get it working with EBII.

The position remains that windowed and borderless window are the most stable; if there are specifics to your machine's build that make that not possible, then you'll have to put up with less stability.



The reform requirements here on The Org are very out of date, use the ones on TWC. TWC is more trafficked and has a lot more current discussion. I only mirror the patches here for completeness, and because sometimes it's more reliable for hosting the links.

As Pergamon, your relationship to the Seleukids doesn't have any impact on the reforms whatsoever. They don't ask for tribute, because their vassal relationship wasn't the same as Hayastan or Baktria. In the main the Seleukids were just happy to have a subservient ally in western Anatolia stopping some other power rising to the ascendancy.

Rushing to capture Ankyra is a bad idea; not only does it not stop Galatian attacks, it makes it harder for you to satisfy the reform conditions by fighting Galatian Rebels in Galatia.

I don't know if borderless window makes a difference on non-windowed mode.



That's not a glitch, that's a notification that you've had a qualifying battle for the reforms. They will pop up each time you have a qualifying one, until you've done enough. They stop when you no longer need victories against the Galatians.

Thanks a lot for also answering those. For the record, I asked if I could remain a Seleucid ally because the reform requires me to have two settlements (Sardis and Ipsos) that belong to them. I guess I do need to attack them to be called an "independent" kingdom.

Total War Center, for example, has a thread about faction governments, which is not a stickied thread here. I tried to view it, but the content seems to be in the form of images, which I cannot see. Do I need to register there just the view the images? I registered here to post my error log but I'm not sure which one I should use for general discussion now that you've said that you post mainly on Total War Center.

[QuintusSertorius]

The targets are deliberately designed both to create a core heartland, and ensure you can't get the reforms without potentially taking on both the Seleukids and Ptolemaioi.

Not sure about images on TWC; but you'll get much faster responses and a broader range of discussion posting there.