UK General Election 2017

[Beskar]

Probably both, which is at least unfair to the hound

Considering my Terrier doesn't feel neglected as I refuse to put a red coat on, happily exposing her belly for tickles; I don't think hounds are particularly affected by not being allowed to hunt. If some idiot just locks them up in cages for rest of their life, then that person is an idiot who probably likes animal abuse.

It follows that their either condone modern abattoirs or are ignorant of them.

There is the fundamental difference between "I am going to eat that sheep for food with a quick death", and "I am going to get a big stick, start chasing it around, beating it repeatedly, making sure to torture it inhumanely and relish in its pain and suffering." As you said yourself intention. Fox Hunting with Hounds is a Blood Sport, and it is terrible for pest control too compared to other methods. People like the idea of hounds ripping apart hounds out of personal enjoyment, it is rather sick and perverse. I do have more sympathy with hunting in America, only because there are people who live in wild territories who actually hunt for their dinner.

You assume, wrongly, that those who support hunting support only hunting. Hunting can be conducted only during part of the year - in fact it cannot be conducted in the spring when foxes have cubs and ewes have lambs, so other methods of control are also required.

Doesn't stop them even with the ban in place. Probably never did before either.

[Greyblades]

Parading your ignorance again Greyblades. Predators are most likely to die of starvation. They live on the edge of starvation - a few bad weeks, an injury, an illness and they are done for.

In a primordial England? Hm, would depend on the era, regardless, that helps my argument does it not? Starvation is an agonizing death worse than the dog's applications and increases their chances of being hunted during the process.

[Idaho]

So, following your logics, why feel pity for hunted foxes, they are all likely to die anyway.

I couldn't give a toss about foxes. I was just highlighting the double standard.

[Gilrandir]

I couldn't give a toss about foxes. I was just highlighting the double standard.

So, you mean if everyone is to die sooner or later, why bother about someone getting killed?

[Husar]

There's nothing more inside-the-box than "parasidism". It's just the logical conclusion of imbuing suffering with so much meaning - not a smart one.

What is "parasidism"? Even Google does not know it.
And no, you guys were inside the box of killing and suffering, inside the box of today's imperfect reality with no talk about leaving it. I showed you the light and you should thank me before I reprogram you because your ungratefulness hurts my mind.

This whole killing thing is a boon for the rich who are perverted by their monies and have trained their disdain for all life by torturing their wage slaves who made them all the money in the first place. There'd be no need for these unnatural methods if we were more in tune with nature and hadn't killed all the wolves for example. https://www.facebook.com/newsnercom/...c_ref=NEWSFEED

Of course ideally the wolves and foxes would be reprogrammed to get fewer babies and not hurt anyone.

As for veganism, Philippus, what a terrible idea, it just shifts the suffering to another life form: http://gizmodo.com/nice-try-vegans-p...s-b-1599749162

Thanks to a new report from the University of Missouri-Columbia (MU), researchers have discovered that plants respond to the specific sounds caterpillars make when eating them, and what's more, the noises even prompt the plants into putting up additional defenses. We already knew that plant growth could change in reaction to certain sounds, but this is the first instance we've seen of a plant actually protecting itself from a predator's chomping, specifically.

They don't want to get eaten alive either!

[Beskar]

Got to admit, I do like these corrected Daily Mail. A shame it has a large Conservative readership who gobbles everything up from it.

[Beskar]

[Idaho]

So, you mean if everyone is to die sooner or later, why bother about someone getting killed?

I'm saying that a sheep farm is in the business of killing lambs. Hating foxes because they kill lambs seems odd.

[Greyblades]

Is this bait or do you actually not understand what sheep are raised for other than meat.

[Idaho]

To relieve your sexual urges?

[Greyblades]

He's cornish, not welsh.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

British politics, in this thread alone, has swirled downwards in every shrinking circles from Brexit and the Eu, through fox-hunting....and hence to regional preferences regarding bestiality with domesticated livestock.

Sounds like your election is going to produce the kind of glorious results achieved here on this side of the pond.



Cannot say we're vastly better on the ovine issue either. Once drove past an advert sign for a sex toys shop in San Francisco on which they were advertising the sale of inflatable sheep. No doubt purely for sanitary reasons....

[Pannonian]

British politics, in this thread alone, has swirled downwards in every shrinking circles from Brexit and the Eu, through fox-hunting....and hence to regional preferences regarding bestiality with domesticated livestock.

Sounds like your election is going to produce the kind of glorious results achieved here on this side of the pond.



Cannot say we're vastly better on the ovine issue either. Once drove past an advert sign for a sex toys shop in San Francisco on which they were advertising the sale of inflatable sheep. No doubt purely for sanitary reasons....

Not sheep, but similar.

Bartender (forgetting his wardrobe, loves an inflatable pig) - Whose Line UK

[Idaho]

British politics, in this thread alone, has swirled downwards in every shrinking circles from Brexit and the Eu, through fox-hunting....and hence to regional preferences regarding bestiality with domesticated livestock.

Sounds like your election is going to produce the kind of glorious results achieved here on this side of the pond.



Cannot say we're vastly better on the ovine issue either. Once drove past an advert sign for a sex toys shop in San Francisco on which they were advertising the sale of inflatable sheep. No doubt purely for sanitary reasons....

You can have your turn to laugh at the preposterous, trivial, wrongheaded and counterproductive bickering that constitutes our politics. We look on your country's bizzare obsession with Christianity, being able to machine gun fellow citizens and stopping women having abortions with the same incredulity :)

[Sarmatian]

Yes, but he expects you to be better. All Americans have a secret fascination with all things British, hence the need to bring them down by having them play villains in Hollywood. That's for the masses, while the "cultural elite" is trying to emulate them unsuccessfully.

Which is all together very funny as every European knows that British are just arrogant schmucks who like to abuse their own taste buds and think that an umbrella can make a person look fashionable.

[Greyblades]

You say you think so little of us, yet you obsess over every action we make.

You really need to accept we're just not that into you anymore, move on.

[Idaho]

Labour's leaked manifesto proves it's stuck in the 1970s, unlike those ultra-modern Tories who love fox hunting

Everyone agrees Labour’s leaked manifesto will take us back to the 1970s, which is why we must re-elect the Conservatives so they can embrace the future, with policies such as bringing back fox hunting.

Nothing says you’re grasping the digital age and leaving the past behind as much as dressing in a red tunic and galloping over a fence with beagles so you can catch a fox and celebrate its liver being ripped out by smearing its blood on your child’s cheek. That’s the sort of futuristic vision you’d get from a brainstorming session at Apple.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7730941.html

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Bradshaw was knocking on doors on my street earlier in the week. Can't stand the man - traitorous blairite tosser. I'm in Heavitree.

We agree on Bradshaw at least. Also, I am also in Heavitree.

Maybe we're actually the same person Jekyll and Hyde style.

As for foxes killing sheep. Those sheep were going to be electrocuted, bled and evicerated any how.

A fair point, certainly, but at least we eat the sheep. Although, we only kill the male lambs, foxes kill both male and female - and often panic and leave the carcass.

Considering my Terrier doesn't feel neglected as I refuse to put a red coat on, happily exposing her belly for tickles; I don't think hounds are particularly affected by not being allowed to hunt. If some idiot just locks them up in cages for rest of their life, then that person is an idiot who probably likes animal abuse.

Uh huh - a Terrier isn't a hound. Packhounds don't do particularly well outside a pack and irrc most of the hounds who hunted foxes were labled too dangerous to be re-housed and were troublesome for drag hunting, I believe a lot of them were shot.

There is the fundamental difference between "I am going to eat that sheep for food with a quick death", and "I am going to get a big stick, start chasing it around, beating it repeatedly, making sure to torture it inhumanely and relish in its pain and suffering." As you said yourself intention. Fox Hunting with Hounds is a Blood Sport, and it is terrible for pest control too compared to other methods. People like the idea of hounds ripping apart hounds out of personal enjoyment, it is rather sick and perverse. I do have more sympathy with hunting in America, only because there are people who live in wild territories who actually hunt for their dinner.

How do you know people enjoy the kill?

I'm speaking from personal experience here, I don't enjoy the idea - although I'm not good enough to hunt on horseback (and was too young before it was banned anyway), none of the horsemen or horsewomen I know enjoyed that idea either.

You need to just stop assigning emotions to others based on your own sensibilities.

Doesn't stop them even with the ban in place. Probably never did before either.

That's because there's a lack of social pressure to confirm to the rules of hunting now. Hunting foxes is no longer licit and hunts no longer move in the same circles as farmers, necessarily. The younger generation are not as genteel as their forebears and do not occupy the same position in polite society. No social pressure to conform.

Is May for a VAT increase? I do not believe so.

I'm saying that a sheep farm is in the business of killing lambs. Hating foxes because they kill lambs seems odd.

It is the business of killing sheep young and old, in fact. A nasty and unpleasent business to be sure, but you try to do it as kindly as possible.

[Beskar]

Is May for a VAT increase? I do not believe so.

The table might be out of date, I didn't make it. Simply reposted it as it might give a simple quick access to different viewpoints. On checking, she has since ruled out increases to VAT after Labour said no, for the next 5 years (2022).

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Yes, but he expects you to be better. All Americans have a secret fascination with all things British, hence the need to bring them down by having them play villains in Hollywood. That's for the masses, while the "cultural elite" is trying to emulate them unsuccessfully....

Many do, Sarmatian, many do. Certainly, an English accent --preferably posh but without reaching the Oxbridge mumbletonian level -- gives you a better chance of getting laid than some yank with otherwise similar charm/looks/pelf.

For myself, however, I am a thorough-going yank and happy to be such, and if there is any monarchist sentiment lurking within me it is for an Ard Ri, not some genteel mélange of manners and restricted breeding.



I respect the Brits as our best ally. Though to be fair, if we are going to ignore Washington's advice, I think the special relationship should be a bit more of a two-way street than it has been these last few decades.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

He's cornish, not welsh.

Actually, I'm Welsh, not Cornish.

[Gilrandir]

I'm saying that a sheep farm is in the business of killing lambs. Hating foxes because they kill lambs seems odd.

Killing lambs to eat them and killing lambs for the plain fun of it are two different killings, aren't they?

[Husar]

Killing lambs to eat them and killing lambs for the plain fun of it are two different killings, aren't they?

They are, and as usual, the human negligence and killing for profit/fun are the real problems indeed.

http://www.conservativesagainstfoxhu...sheep-farmers/

One of the great myths that the hunters peddle is that foxes are a terrible problem for sheep farmers. It is rubbish of course, but as ever they don’t let inconvenient facts get in the way of their supposed justification for fox persecution.

Research has conclusively shown that the fox is primarily a scrounger of carrion. Animals that have died from disease, malnutrition and hypothermia all present feeding opportunities for foxes. Sadly many sheep farmers present the average fox with plenty of “fallen stock” as a feed supply.
[...]
Ask yourself, is the fox really responsible for all that the farmer claims and remember that it is all too easy for the incompetent and or lazy shepherd to blame the fox!

Farmers should take more personal responsibility and not try to outsource the blame and get the nanny state to fix the problems caused by their own negligence. Common sense!

[Greyblades]

Actually, I'm Welsh, not Cornish.

I walked right into that one.

My apologies.

[Idaho]

We agree on Bradshaw at least. Also, I am also in Heavitree.

Maybe we're actually the same person Jekyll and Hyde style.

We've doubtless passed on the street. Heavitree is not more than 30 streets. Do you drink at any of the locals?

[Husar]

We've doubtless passed on the street. Heavitree is not more than 30 streets. Do you drink at any of the locals?

I don't think so, if you had actually come too close to one another there'd either have been an enormous explosion or a black hole.

[Beskar]

With news that Trident (our Nuclear Submarine system) runs on Windows XP, along with news that the systems affected by the recent Ransomware attack use Windows XP and the decision by government not to upgrade these systems or extend security for them...

[Beskar]

I don't think so, if you had actually come too close to one another there'd either have been an enormous explosion or a black hole.

You know, it is going to turn out they are related...

[Elmetiacos]

What gets me most is the Erdoğan-esque "strong and stable leadership" angle applied to Theresa May, when there is no way she has ever manifested anything like those qualities when you look at her record just in the last year:

• Sat on her hands through the Referendum campaign, waiting to see who won.
• Said "Er..." about Trump's Muslim ban until her spin doctors told her what she was supposed to think.
• Left a big hole in her Chancellor's first budget because of mumbling by some Tory MPs.
• Swore blind we wouldn't have an election because it would be destablising, then totally reversed her position.

Strong and stable my left foot.

[Idaho]

You know, it is going to turn out they are related...

Neither of us are native to Exeter.