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    Some form of Keynesian economics were part of all centralized states since time immeroial. In the mid 70s some crazy New York bankers came up with deregulation and eventually got a hold of Reagan and now we have Sam Brownback

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    I'm not fully knowlegdeable on the cause, so someone please do a quick info note for me - why is Labour not doing ideal in polls right now?

    The Tories are running away with it at this moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edyzmedieval View Post
    I'm not fully knowlegdeable on the cause, so someone please do a quick info note for me - why is Labour not doing ideal in polls right now?

    The Tories are running away with it at this moment.
    Take yer pick. Think of all the possible reasons why a mainstream left wing party may do badly, and every one of those reasons is applicable. The Tory press haven't even begun work on the Labour leader's past yet, as the Tories want to play up the threat of a Labour win in order to get their vote out.

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    john curtice is saying 12 tory seats in scotland. scotland!

    this is gonna be an epic smack down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Take yer pick. Think of all the possible reasons why a mainstream left wing party may do badly, and every one of those reasons is applicable. The Tory press haven't even begun work on the Labour leader's past yet, as the Tories want to play up the threat of a Labour win in order to get their vote out.
    Yes, starting with his three wives - each younger than the last, all very pretty.

    Here's something from 1999 about that second divorce and sending Corbyn's son to a Grammar: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/...bserver.uknews

    Ironically, it notes he's unlikely tyo ever have any government post. More to the point, it illustrates that he's rather send his son to a failing school than a Grammar school. To my mind this is an example of principle over a clear practically choice for your nearest kin. In the end he absented himself from responsibility by separating from his wife and leaving her to make the decision alone - which smacks a little of moral cowardice.
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    Barely anyone every says "evil Lefties".
    A popular, if not overwhelming, sentiment among the American right. I suspect you downplay its currency in the UK.

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    In fact, have a representative right-wing comment:

    What trends led to Democrats defeat? Well let's see, they hate God, babies, the constitution, law and order, all of our traditions, the traditional family, our flag, which they frequently burn and defecate on while flying the flags of foreign nations, freedom of speech, unless they approve of it, our founding father's, our history, which they frequently rewrite to exclude all the good that led to what we are today in favor of painting everyone and everything as a long list of ism's and phobias. They hate personal responsibility, hard work, integrity, honor and would rather encourage people to call themselves a victim of one thing or another in order to take no responsibility for their own actions and live entirely off the backs of producers, who they also hate. They hate republicans, conservatives, anyone who does not grovel to their horrifying ideology. In short the party that prtends to be tolerant and compassionate has absolutely no tolerance or compassion for the millions and millions and millions they hate.
    There is no limit to variations of this sentiment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    In fact, have a representative right-wing comment:

    There is no limit to variations of this sentiment.
    Looking through that list, I can find examples of nearly all the non-American epithets in Corbyn's history.

    they hate God
    Few people in the UK care about religion

    babies
    See what PFH said about Corbyn's son.

    the constitution
    NA.

    law and order
    Corbyn has celebrated terrorist attacks in mainland Britain, and associated with terrorist groups.

    all of our traditions
    ?

    the traditional family
    See PFH's comments about Corbyn's son.

    our flag, which they frequently burn and defecate on while flying the flags of foreign nations
    Few people in the UK care about the flag except during football tournaments.

    freedom of speech, unless they approve of it
    No hypocrisy here, although he gets antsy at any remotely difficult questions.

    our founding father's
    NA.

    our history, which they frequently rewrite to exclude all the good that led to what we are today in favor of painting everyone and everything as a long list of ism's and phobias
    See Corbyn's version of the Labour party's history, which denies that the last Labour government did any good at all (something not even the Tory party goes as far to disclaim).

    They hate personal responsibility, hard work
    Corbyn has next to zero experience of real life work, with his last such job being part time journalism when he was still a teenager. He's been in politics since his early 20s.

    integrity, honor
    Corbyn is notoriously one of the most disloyal MPs in Parliament, having voted against his party over 500 times in his career, including 250+ times during a 2 year stretch at the end of the last Labour government. His supporters have excoriated the non-Corbyn loyalist MPs as disloyal.

    and would rather encourage people to call themselves a victim of one thing or another in order to take no responsibility for their own actions
    AFAIK Corbyn hasn't said anything on this subject. However, his shadow Home Secretary is notorious for supporting every such cause out there.

    and live entirely off the backs of producers, who they also hate
    His shadow Chancellor is on record as welcoming economic recession as an opportunity for revolution, and suggesting an increased rate of tax for a top bracket that's half the level paid to Corbyn, who himself says he doesn't think he is rich.

    They hate republicans, conservatives, anyone who does not grovel to their horrifying ideology. In short the party that prtends to be tolerant and compassionate has absolutely no tolerance or compassion for the millions and millions and millions they hate.
    Probably a bit too US-specific to be applicable.

    NB. The list doesn't include trust on defence or economic competence. two key issues in UK politics (especially the latter, which is normally decisive), where he rates far, far lower than his Tory counterparts. Also, the list doesn't accuse the Democrats of supporting Communism. While the stigma in the UK is less than in the US, Corbyn's friends and staff have actually supported Communism, with his chief of staff deemed an extremist by the former leader of the British Communist Party.

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    It's funny how so many Republicans seem to love hard work and not having healthcare once your body is ruined because your hard work didn't pay well enough to afford private insurance. And it doesn't pay well because all those other Republicans offer to do it for less.

    But yeah, I get it, just send more people to the coal mines and everything will be fine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    Yes, starting with his three wives - each younger than the last, all very pretty.

    Here's something from 1999 about that second divorce and sending Corbyn's son to a Grammar: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/...bserver.uknews
    The article actually says that he didn't send his son to a grammar school, but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmetiacos View Post
    The article actually says that he didn't send his son to a grammar school, but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh?
    I get to point out that this is indeed what his post is talking about.
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    Tony Blair is telling people to vote Lib Dem, or to vote Tory where the candidate is open-minded about Brexit (ie: not hard-liner).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmetiacos View Post
    The article actually says that he didn't send his son to a grammar school, but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh?
    No, HE didn't, his wife did>

    By now, they had agreed to separate and that Claudia would have ultimate responsibility for the children. She sent their son to Queen Elizabeth's grammar school, nine miles away in Barnet.
    So he got around it by absenting responsibility.
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