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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    In the period you are referring to, 1933, Hitler was essentially seen as German'y Donald Trump and the video was shot by the Duke of Windsor (boo, hiss!) and he was a bit of a Nazi appeaser because he didn't want another war, and a bit of an idiot.

    HM Queen was 7.
    7 year olds are well known for their sound decision making skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Ukraine were more pro-Nazi than the royals as a set generally were (eg. Ukrainian concentration camp guards were noted by inmates as particularly brutal).
    So, Ukrainian guards at concentration camps were brutal, ergo Ukraine was pro-Nazi?
    Your conclusions are of the level: the Fresno black shooter killed three white men, ergo Fresno blacks are racists and murderers. Try to avoid generalizations and untangle yourself from the cobweb of myths and stereotypes spun by your propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    So, Ukrainian guards at concentration camps were brutal, ergo Ukraine was pro-Nazi?
    Your conclusions are of the level: the Fresno black shooter killed three white men, ergo Fresno blacks are racists and murderers. Try to avoid generalizations and untangle yourself from the cobweb of myths and stereotypes spun by your propaganda.
    Here's another generalisation for you. The British Free Corps, formed from British and Commonwealth POWs, had 54 members in total, with a maximum strength of 27. It's not exactly notable for having done anything practical, but there were quite a few complaints from the Germans that they were a waste of resources. Compare with Ukrainian recruits to the SS, both in numbers and activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Here's another generalisation for you. The British Free Corps, formed from British and Commonwealth POWs, had 54 members in total, with a maximum strength of 27. It's not exactly notable for having done anything practical, but there were quite a few complaints from the Germans that they were a waste of resources. Compare with Ukrainian recruits to the SS, both in numbers and activities.
    Not that I don't agree with your position in general, but in this case, it would be fair to note the difference in the number of Ukrainian POWs and British POWs, and to note that Ukraine has been fully occupied by the Nazis for a very long time while Britain was not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    So, Ukrainian guards at concentration camps were brutal, ergo Ukraine was pro-Nazi?
    Actually, most historians and history buffs don't think they were pro-Nazi so much as anti-Soviet(Russian). Ukraine had its share of jew-haters as well, but that was not exactly uncommon in Europe in the early 20th and Ukraine was not noted for being any worse than most of the other cultures in the region on that issue.

    Records suggest that nearly 100k Ukrainians volunteered to serve with the SS, though far fewer actually served. To be fair, the per capita recruitment for the SS was higher in the Netherlands, Belgium, and in Romania than in Ukraine.

    If anything, the Nazis missed an opportunity in Ukraine. They could have formed a satellite state that would probably have supported the war against the Soviets. However, they treated Ukrainians as "lesser men" as well and never truly made the effort to set up an independent Ukraine.
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