UK General Election 2017

[Montmorency]

The Socialist doesn't trust society, he passes laws and forces the rich to support the law. The Christian trusts society too much.

I don't see the coherence in this. Christianity doesn't see a need for law and government, or assumes that a society exists without them? Or is it that Christianity identifies a supervenient "higher power"?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I don't see the coherence in this. Christianity doesn't see a need for law and government, or assumes that a society exists without them? Or is it that Christianity identifies a supervenient "higher power"?

Christians believe that people should have everything on Beskar's list - but what defines a Socialist is the belief that everything should be provided by the State, as opposed to the community.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

[Pannonian]

Christians believe that people should have everything on Beskar's list - but what defines a Socialist is the belief that everything should be provided by the State, as opposed to the community.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

That's not an exact definition of socialism, particularly the type espoused by old (meaning, really old, not Bennite old) Labour, which ironically has more in common with Blair's New Labour than Corbyn's 1970s-80s Bennite Labour. The line "Libraries gave us power" sums it up. It's the state providing opportunity for the individual and community to better themselves through their own effort, opportunity that would not be available in a pure laissez-faire environment.

[Beskar]

Christians believe that people should have everything on Beskar's list - but what defines a Socialist is the belief that everything should be provided by the State, as opposed to the community.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

If we want to be picky, "Community" and "Communism" has the same root. in a sense, the State is the Community.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

If we want to be picky, "Community" and "Communism" has the same root. in a sense, the State is the Community.

Communism is enforced community, which is why it fails.

The State is not the community, though it arises out of it, because whilst everyone is - at least marginally - part of the community only certain people are part of the state.

For example, I am not a politician or an employee of the State - ergo I am not a part of the Organs of the State.

That does not exclude me from the community.

[Pannonian]

Nope, McDonnell is not replacing Diane Abbott, whom I just saw on Daily Politics. The Labour front bench is abysmally poor, probably the worst I've seen in my life by some distance.

[Beskar]

The Progressive Alliance is gaining momentum.

With some luck, they will succeed in getting rid of the terrible Jimmy 'Unt.

A "progressive forum" organised by the South West Surrey Compass group over the weekend saw the Green Party withdraw their candidate from the race completely, while Liberal Democrats and Labour members agreed not to campaign, after members from all four parties selected the leader of the National Health Action party as the best placed candidate to oppose the Health Secretary.

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[Beskar]

Tory MP Candidate claims to heal Deaf people through Prayer
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7721621.html

A Conservative party candidate has reportedly claimed she healed a deaf man with her bare hands by channelling the power of prayer.
Kristy Adams, who is standing to be MP for Hove and Portslade, said she healed the man by placing her hands over his ears and saying: “Be healed in Jesus' name.”

[Montmorency]

Christians believe that people should have everything on Beskar's list - but what defines a Socialist is the belief that everything should be provided by the State, as opposed to the community.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

Beskar's right - how is the community organized? They have to be in order to make a community, even if it's just an innate impulse to do God's work. State socialism in that context would be a matter of bookkeeping.