UK General Election 2017

[Beskar]

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Replace "Socialist" with "Christian".

Watch as hilarity ensures.

[Beskar]

Replace "Socialist" with "Christian".

Watch as hilarity ensures.

Not really... remember Cat Smith? "Smith has stated that she believes Jesus was a radical socialist"

Though, if you read the full thing, she identifies as bisexual. So a Christian Socialist LGBT-identifier.

[Montmorency]

So...+~600 Tory seats?

[Pannonian]

And Labour decide that the right response to the local election disasters is to promote John McDonnell to a more prominent role. Yup, that's the guy who said he'd been waiting for decades for the opportunity that is the economic crisis. The guy who recently (less than a week ago) spoke at a rally, directly under Communist and Baathist flags. As in look at McDonnell on the podium, then look up to see the hammer and sickle a few feet above him. I guess he's replacing Diane Abbott, who not only has a tenuous grasp of geography, but has no concept of numbers either.

[Pannonian]

So...+~600 Tory seats?

How many seats did UKIP win?

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[Beskar]

I am noticing a trend with the baby boomers, some of which voted Labour which have moved their vote to Conservative. Just asked one of them for feedback.
- "Need a strong leader to take us out of Europe"
- "I cannot trust any of them, but I feel I can trust her the most"
- "Corbyn is unimpressive."
- "Pacifism is a concern. I want some one like Maggie, who will go off and sort it."
- "I like Tim Farron, but he is talking out of his rear if he thinks he can get an experienced government together. Gone too far for Brexit, and he needs to listen to the people."

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Not really... remember Cat Smith? "Smith has stated that she believes Jesus was a radical socialist"

Though, if you read the full thing, she identifies as bisexual. So a Christian Socialist LGBT-identifier.

Jesus was a Hippie, not a Socialist.

The difference is not their aims, but their methods.

Socialists believe the rich should be taxed heavily, and that the richer you are the more heavily you should be taxed. Meanwhile the Christians believes that the rich should give generously and the richer you are the more generous you should be.

The Socialist doesn't trust society, he passes laws and forces the rich to support the law. The Christian trusts society too much.

As in all things, moderation.

The point being that your poster was reductive, and not entirely true - some Socialists will try to tax the wealthy in a way designed to actively prevent them gaining more wealth - such as inheritance tax - a tax considered morally dubious until recent times.

Anyway - the story of the local election is that the Governing Party of 8 years was the only real beneficiary in England and the main one in Scotland and Wales. In Scotland the Conservatives overtook Labour as the second-largest party.

@Pannonian - you forgot when McDonnell said he "wanted to take Britain back to the 1970's".

You know, everybody in a Union, collective bargaining, rolling blackouts, a three day week, a stagnant and failing economy.

[Montmorency]

The Socialist doesn't trust society, he passes laws and forces the rich to support the law. The Christian trusts society too much.

I don't see the coherence in this. Christianity doesn't see a need for law and government, or assumes that a society exists without them? Or is it that Christianity identifies a supervenient "higher power"?

[Pannonian]

@Pannonian - you forgot when McDonnell said he "wanted to take Britain back to the 1970's".

You know, everybody in a Union, collective bargaining, rolling blackouts, a three day week, a stagnant and failing economy.

TBF, he doesn't just look back to the 1970s. He also celebrates some 1980s events, like the Brighton hotel bombing.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I don't see the coherence in this. Christianity doesn't see a need for law and government, or assumes that a society exists without them? Or is it that Christianity identifies a supervenient "higher power"?

Christians believe that people should have everything on Beskar's list - but what defines a Socialist is the belief that everything should be provided by the State, as opposed to the community.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

[Pannonian]

Christians believe that people should have everything on Beskar's list - but what defines a Socialist is the belief that everything should be provided by the State, as opposed to the community.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

That's not an exact definition of socialism, particularly the type espoused by old (meaning, really old, not Bennite old) Labour, which ironically has more in common with Blair's New Labour than Corbyn's 1970s-80s Bennite Labour. The line "Libraries gave us power" sums it up. It's the state providing opportunity for the individual and community to better themselves through their own effort, opportunity that would not be available in a pure laissez-faire environment.

[Beskar]

Christians believe that people should have everything on Beskar's list - but what defines a Socialist is the belief that everything should be provided by the State, as opposed to the community.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

If we want to be picky, "Community" and "Communism" has the same root. in a sense, the State is the Community.

[Montmorency]

Christians believe that people should have everything on Beskar's list - but what defines a Socialist is the belief that everything should be provided by the State, as opposed to the community.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

Beskar's right - how is the community organized? They have to be in order to make a community, even if it's just an innate impulse to do God's work. State socialism in that context would be a matter of bookkeeping.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

If we want to be picky, "Community" and "Communism" has the same root. in a sense, the State is the Community.

Communism is enforced community, which is why it fails.

The State is not the community, though it arises out of it, because whilst everyone is - at least marginally - part of the community only certain people are part of the state.

For example, I am not a politician or an employee of the State - ergo I am not a part of the Organs of the State.

That does not exclude me from the community.

[Pannonian]

Nope, McDonnell is not replacing Diane Abbott, whom I just saw on Daily Politics. The Labour front bench is abysmally poor, probably the worst I've seen in my life by some distance.

[Beskar]

The Progressive Alliance is gaining momentum.

With some luck, they will succeed in getting rid of the terrible Jimmy 'Unt.

A "progressive forum" organised by the South West Surrey Compass group over the weekend saw the Green Party withdraw their candidate from the race completely, while Liberal Democrats and Labour members agreed not to campaign, after members from all four parties selected the leader of the National Health Action party as the best placed candidate to oppose the Health Secretary.

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[Beskar]

Tory MP Candidate claims to heal Deaf people through Prayer
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7721621.html

A Conservative party candidate has reportedly claimed she healed a deaf man with her bare hands by channelling the power of prayer.
Kristy Adams, who is standing to be MP for Hove and Portslade, said she healed the man by placing her hands over his ears and saying: “Be healed in Jesus' name.”

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Tory MP Candidate claims to heal Deaf people through Prayer
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7721621.html

Earnest Ainsley has her beat. Devil come OUT!

[Pannonian]

The difference between the UK and US is that anyone who openly talks about their religion is considered a crackpot here, while it's mandatory in the US. Although I suspect faith healing would be considered crackpot even in the States.

[Montmorency]

The difference between the UK and US is that anyone who openly talks about their religion is considered a crackpot here, while it's mandatory in the US. Although I suspect faith healing would be considered crackpot even in the States.

Obviously the coastal elites do.

But it's about as popular as "detox" across the country, and almost all states allow religious or personal-belief exemptions for child medical care, including vaccination (except California, West Virginia, and somehow Mississippi).

[Pannonian]

Corbyn reads The Canary (the left's equivalent of Breitbart) and he'll stay on as leader whatever happens in the election (with expectations being a Tory landslide).

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The Progressive Alliance is gaining momentum.

With some luck, they will succeed in getting rid of the terrible Jimmy 'Unt.

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I don't think it is really.

Also, I agree with Tim Farron here (shocker) - Labour are not a Liberal Party, and the Lib Dems should not try to prop them up, notwithstanding what former Labour Councillor Sir Vince Cable says.

Tory MP Candidate claims to heal Deaf people through Prayer
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7721621.html

Well that's just silly, only the King can cure the halt, death and lame.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The difference between the UK and US is that anyone who openly talks about their religion is considered a crackpot here, while it's mandatory in the US. Although I suspect faith healing would be considered crackpot even in the States.

Far from mandatory. We have any number of settings where talking of one's religions is considered a little 'pushy.' On the other hand, except for rare circles, the declaration that one is religious does not evoke some form of pariah status either.

Most consider faith healing a little crackpot -- though anyone who has studied the placebo effect at all cannot discard the value of belief in and of itself.

My reference above to Earnest Angley [sorry, mis-spelled things above] was using one of his catch-phrases.

I recall laughing over his recounting of a faith healing episode while on a mission trip to China. He prayed over a mute from birth teenager, and then claimed that he spoke his first words ever....and spoke in English.

[Pannonian]

I don't think it is really.

Also, I agree with Tim Farron here (shocker) - Labour are not a Liberal Party, and the Lib Dems should not try to prop them up, notwithstanding what former Labour Councillor Sir Vince Cable says.

Well that's just silly, only the King can cure the halt, death and lame.

Has he trademarked the cure? Don't forget scrofula as well.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Has he trademarked the cure? Don't forget scrofula as well.

Or 'rising of the lights'

[Beskar]

Labour's leaked manifesto looks good.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39877439
Pro Manifesto Reporting - Guardian
Negative Manifesto Reporting - Daily Mail


Theresa May will repeal ban on hunting cute fluffy animals with hordes of dogs.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It looks shit.

And foxes are murderous sociopaths. What? Just because they (mostly) kill small lambs and rabbits it's OK? That picture of a Fox even LOOKS murderous.

That's speciesist.

Sorry Beskar, but if you're going to be horribly biased, so am I.

[Beskar]

And foxes are murderous sociopaths. What? Just because they (mostly) kill small lambs and rabbits it's OK? That picture of a Fox even LOOKS murderous.

[Montmorency]

It looks shit.

And foxes are murderous sociopaths. What? Just because they (mostly) kill small lambs and rabbits it's OK? That picture of a Fox even LOOKS murderous.

That's speciesist.

Sorry Beskar, but if you're going to be horribly biased, so am I.

Poor Husar impression.